Line Rider

It's like 9 PM now where I live, got a headache, and such, but really thought there had to be a proper anniversary thread. So here goes.

We Ride the Lines. What lines? I only see some, but not worth enough to mention. Plenty enough of riders though, probably lost interest in it.

I didn't quote this for nothing. This will be my general statement throughout this post, and if you don't understand what I'm saying just read this entire thread. Don't think: ''Oh no, not another feedback thread from HP again!''. I think this will be slightly different than my other threads and I'm also trying to summarize it using correct English (well, as far as I know).

What do we mean by ''Line Rider is dying''? Do we mean ''There are less tracks being released'' or ''The 'riders' are starting to get sick of it/ lose interest in it''. Nowadays, I believe both are true. I found this site on the internet: https://www.mochimedia.com/community/forum/topic/what-made-line-rider-so-popular. Everyone talks about its creativity, simplicity, possibilities, etc. What's left of it? Line Rider has become a machine. Do you really play, after school, or if you're bored, Line Rider to have fun and experiment with styles? No. You plan everything, except the style: When am I going to make the track, which song am I going to use, which tricks, will I be able to meet the standards, my goal... Isn't it just silly we don't even think about style? We put a fling here and there, another kramual there, let's make an ASDF... Aren't we able to imagine something that's new? A perfect example is integration. No difficult tricks are used, but the movement of Bosh is still amazing. That's style and that's what Line Rider makes it a sandbox game. The box is shrinking. By the appearance of new tricks, a bit of style is lost. A lot of people try to execute this new trick. So if this is going on, a lot more riders can meet the standards of today and release a track like I.R.I.S. But luckily, there are a few people who don't get suck away in the trend and lose interest in Line Rider, because they know they can't meet the standards. So they leave and only the pro's will stay.

I believe that in the future every track will be just slightly different from eachother.

I think I made my point. Now let's talk about the effects for WRtL.

WRtL will greatly suffer from this. Because riders who can't meet the standards quit Line Rider, they will just rape the Off-Topic section. Isn't that what we're doing now already? We're simply blogging about Portal 2, Minecraft and music. I didn't intend to make this thread personal but I really want to give some examples... HG42. In this year, I haven't seen him releasing a track on WRtL. He just came out of nowhere. You know, HG42 was the first person I met on ELR. And he was nice. He wasn't like ''HA! I completed the single player of Portal 2 without using any cheats'' or ''HA! I'm the 3131th person to post in this thread and the [...]th view.'' Does that make any sense? No! All he does is turning WRtL in an off-topic battlefield of pointless discussions about drugs. Even Wizzy is Line Rider-wise more active than him.

And where have our sceners been? Where's the enthusiasm? Why don't we just go scene our tracks and then, even if it's [censored], release it? Nobody will really hate it (Except for Lankher, but he's just a troll and I'm sure, if he didn't try to be funny but actually help people, he would be a good reviewer. Everyone has a heart and a soul.) but if we dug really deep into our hearts (not literally ) we would know this beginner doesn't stand a chance in the Line Rider world. We're helping him though, because we're nice.

Our only last hope for active trackmaking is obviously Pure.

Pure is more amazing than LRG and Kramwood.

I don't care how much effort LRG put into BS or how many awesome tricks Kramwood made, Pure is truly (well, maybe Cereal too) the only one who sticks to his own style and express it into his tracks using simple tricks. GO PURE!

That was 1 hour of intense failing at tenses. And I love it. I finally made my point about Line Rider.

You're a foolcake, Podpack

I'm not Podpack. I'm Helios Pavonine and I'm not scared to be -repped for a thread like this. People like Wizzy and me should be +repped for being honest and give IRtL feedback about how the future can look like. But nobody seems to get it. I imagine the next person who posts will either say ''tldr'' or answer all my questions asked in this thread.

TLDR: The cake is a lie, which makes you required to read this thread in order to post anything with any content whatsoever.

Helios Pavonine wrote:Pure is truly (well, maybe Cereal too) the only one who sticks to his own style and express it into his tracks using simple tricks. GO PURE!

That's right, bruh.

And I disagree with that "Integration being easy" part, I find integration to be hard as bawls at times.

But 'twas fairly interesting.

Wait what?
I play line rider 100% for fun when i come home from school

I dont think line rider is dying, like, there shoulda been a new version (but never got finished trololol) and a new site and all that...

Im still a scener :3 but yeah, that fact is true all the way!

Also, let me just remind of sometimes where you were almost quitting because of the -rep (no hate, just sayin')

The stoner thread was interesting for me

Integration may sometime be really annoying, cuz gravity keeps pulling the sled and then boom ragequit (atleast, thats my thoughts )

But overall this was interesting to read, and i agreed for the most part!
Now to scene a track in novicity

How come i'm mentioned in EVERY SINGLE rant thread ever made here?


I'm just honest, that's all (Some times the truth hurts, eh?)

You're an icon now Lank, congrats.

Dude, you remind me of a politician. "All mouth and no trousers" Just be the change you want to see on this forum, same counts for the whole world.

Don't get me wrong, I like that you are occupying yourself with this topic, but you lose sight of some very important aspects. For example, who cares if Kramwood does the craziest tricks ever or LRG one of the most insane scenery tracks..as long as they enjoy it, it is a great thing.
Just so you know, I love pure's tracks <3, but you are also comparing cookies to cellphones.

edit: also, I think lankher is not SUCH a bad person...but it's true that he is crossing the line every now and then.

Helios Pavonine wrote:What do we mean by ''Line Rider is dying''? Do we mean ''There are less tracks being released'' or ''The 'riders' are starting to get sick of it/ lose interest in it''. Nowadays, I believe both are true. I found this site on the internet: https://www.mochimedia.com/community/forum/topic/what-made-line-rider-so-popular. Everyone talks about its creativity, simplicity, possibilities, etc. What's left of it? Line Rider has become a machine. Do you really play, after school, or if you're bored, Line Rider to have fun and experiment with styles? No. You plan everything, except the style: When am I going to make the track, which song am I going to use, which tricks, will I be able to meet the standards, my goal... Isn't it just silly we don't even think about style? We put a fling here and there, another kramual there, let's make an ASDF...

You don't know how any of us play. I don't play because I want to "reach the standards", I don't play because I want to make certain tricks. I play because I enjoy making what I make. It's extremely ignorant to think that everybody that doesn't have an awesome style doesn't care/think about style. Making tracks stylish is a talent. It's not something you can practice. I really try to make my tracks stylish but even though I can recognize a good style really quickly, I am just unable to make a stylish track.

Helios Pavonine wrote: Aren't we able to imagine something that's new?

No, we're not. I haven't seen anything new from you ever so you should know you can't "just" think about something new. Not everybody is creative.

Helios Pavonine wrote:A perfect example is integration. No difficult tricks are used, but the movement of Bosh is still amazing. That's style and that's what Line Rider makes it a sandbox game. The box is shrinking. By the appearance of new tricks, a bit of style is lost.

So you're saying you can't make a stylish track if it includes new tricks?

Helios Pavonine wrote: A lot of people try to execute this new trick. So if this is going on, a lot more riders can meet the standards of today and release a track like I.R.I.S. But luckily, there are a few people who don't get suck away in the trend and lose interest in Line Rider, because they know they can't meet the standards. So they leave and only the pro's will stay.

How is people leaving a good thing?

Helios Pavonine wrote:I believe that in the future every track will be just slightly different from eachother.

You're so, so wrong.

Helios Pavonine wrote:WRtL will greatly suffer from this. Because riders who can't meet the standards quit Line Rider, they will just rape the Off-Topic section. Isn't that what we're doing now already? We're simply blogging about Portal 2, Minecraft and music. I didn't intend to make this thread personal but I really want to give some examples... HG42. In this year, I haven't seen him releasing a track on WRtL. He just came out of nowhere. You know, HG42 was the first person I met on ELR. And he was nice. He wasn't like ''HA! I completed the single player of Portal 2 without using any cheats'' or ''HA! I'm the 3131th person to post in this thread and the [...]th view.'' Does that make any sense? No! All he does is turning WRtL in an off-topic battlefield of pointless discussions about drugs. Even Wizzy is Line Rider-wise more active than him

You don't know the reason why people quit Line Rider, just as you don't know why people go to the offtopic section. Most of the time people don't quit because they can't reach the standards, but because they just get bored of the game after playing it for a long time. People go to the offtopic section because they want to relax a bit, share something, participate in a discussion, etc.

And where have our sceners been? Where's the enthusiasm? Why don't we just go scene our tracks and then, even if it's [censored], release it? Nobody will really hate it (Except for Lankher, but he's just a troll and I'm sure, if he didn't try to be funny but actually help people, he would be a good reviewer. Everyone has a heart and a soul.) but if we dug really deep into our hearts (not literally ) we would know this beginner doesn't stand a chance in the Line Rider world. We're helping him though, because we're nice.

Deja vu.

Helios Pavonine wrote:Our only last hope for active trackmaking is obviously Pure.

Pure is more amazing than LRG and Kramwood.

I don't care how much effort LRG put into BS or how many awesome tricks Kramwood made, Pure is truly (well, maybe Cereal too) the only one who sticks to his own style and express it into his tracks using simple tricks. GO PURE!

Let me start with that Kramwood is NOT the best player of the world. He is NOT.
Second, you can't compare LRG to Pure because LRG is a scener. They're totally different.
Third, style ≠ using simple tricks. If you think style = using simple tricks, then you're freaking retarded. My style includes highspeed and speedy tricks. Does that make me NOT stick to my own style? What the hell are you saying? You only praise pure so much because he has a great style, but you can't say nobody else sticks to his style because it's not a great style.

Rafael wrote:

Helios Pavonine wrote:What do we mean by ''Line Rider is dying''? Do we mean ''There are less tracks being released'' or ''The 'riders' are starting to get sick of it/ lose interest in it''. Nowadays, I believe both are true. I found this site on the internet: https://www.mochimedia.com/community/forum/topic/what-made-line-rider-so-popular. Everyone talks about its creativity, simplicity, possibilities, etc. What's left of it? Line Rider has become a machine. Do you really play, after school, or if you're bored, Line Rider to have fun and experiment with styles? No. You plan everything, except the style: When am I going to make the track, which song am I going to use, which tricks, will I be able to meet the standards, my goal... Isn't it just silly we don't even think about style? We put a fling here and there, another kramual there, let's make an ASDF...

You don't know how any of us play. I don't play because I want to "reach the standards", I don't play because I want to make certain tricks. I play because I enjoy making what I make. It's extremely ignorant to think that everybody that doesn't have an awesome style doesn't care/think about style. Making tracks stylish is a talent. It's not something you can practice. I really try to make my tracks stylish but even though I can recognize a good style really quickly, I am just unable to make a stylish track.

Helios Pavonine wrote: Aren't we able to imagine something that's new?

No, we're not. I haven't seen anything new from you ever so you should know you can't "just" think about something new. Not everybody is creative.

Helios Pavonine wrote:A perfect example is integration. No difficult tricks are used, but the movement of Bosh is still amazing. That's style and that's what Line Rider makes it a sandbox game. The box is shrinking. By the appearance of new tricks, a bit of style is lost.

So you're saying you can't make a stylish track if it includes new tricks?

Helios Pavonine wrote: A lot of people try to execute this new trick. So if this is going on, a lot more riders can meet the standards of today and release a track like I.R.I.S. But luckily, there are a few people who don't get suck away in the trend and lose interest in Line Rider, because they know they can't meet the standards. So they leave and only the pro's will stay.

How is people leaving a good thing?

Helios Pavonine wrote:I believe that in the future every track will be just slightly different from eachother.

You're so, so wrong.

Helios Pavonine wrote:WRtL will greatly suffer from this. Because riders who can't meet the standards quit Line Rider, they will just rape the Off-Topic section. Isn't that what we're doing now already? We're simply blogging about Portal 2, Minecraft and music. I didn't intend to make this thread personal but I really want to give some examples... HG42. In this year, I haven't seen him releasing a track on WRtL. He just came out of nowhere. You know, HG42 was the first person I met on ELR. And he was nice. He wasn't like ''HA! I completed the single player of Portal 2 without using any cheats'' or ''HA! I'm the 3131th person to post in this thread and the [...]th view.'' Does that make any sense? No! All he does is turning WRtL in an off-topic battlefield of pointless discussions about drugs. Even Wizzy is Line Rider-wise more active than him

You don't know the reason why people quit Line Rider, just as you don't know why people go to the offtopic section. Most of the time people don't quit because they can't reach the standards, but because they just get bored of the game after playing it for a long time. People go to the offtopic section because they want to relax a bit, share something, participate in a discussion, etc.

And where have our sceners been? Where's the enthusiasm? Why don't we just go scene our tracks and then, even if it's [censored], release it? Nobody will really hate it (Except for Lankher, but he's just a troll and I'm sure, if he didn't try to be funny but actually help people, he would be a good reviewer. Everyone has a heart and a soul.) but if we dug really deep into our hearts (not literally ) we would know this beginner doesn't stand a chance in the Line Rider world. We're helping him though, because we're nice.

Deja vu.

Helios Pavonine wrote:Our only last hope for active trackmaking is obviously Pure.

Pure is more amazing than LRG and Kramwood.

I don't care how much effort LRG put into BS or how many awesome tricks Kramwood made, Pure is truly (well, maybe Cereal too) the only one who sticks to his own style and express it into his tracks using simple tricks. GO PURE!

Let me start with that Kramwood is NOT the best player of the world. He is NOT.
Second, you can't compare LRG to Pure because LRG is a scener. They're totally different.
Third, style ≠ using simple tricks. If you think style = using simple tricks, then you're freaking retarded. My style includes highspeed and speedy tricks. Does that make me NOT stick to my own style? What the hell are you saying? You only praise pure so much because he has a great style, but you can't say nobody else sticks to his style because it's not a great style.

I love you so much for saying this, that im gonna rep you!

Just a few things in here because i cant be arsed to do a big response.

People enjoy different things. Some people enjoy pushing games to new heights/challenges/whatever, some people just like to play and see what happens, and everything in between.

I agree with raf on most things, I would also like to add to the part of why people "quit" LR. People say they quit, but it may just be leaving the forum and not releasing videos on youtube. There are plenty of people that we have never met or uploaded a video to youtube because they just played LineRider and that's it, they didn't upload. Who is to say people that "quit" don't play sometimes?

Also, you shouldn't expect someone to play a game for a long time and not get bored, especially with a sandbox type game, maybe even moreso than other games.

There was something else I was going to say but I forgot. One last thing though,

there is no such thing as the best player/rider in the world. Don't even try arguing it.

Rafael nailed it imo

I nerver had a precise goal in linerider. When I play it's because I have nothing else to do and I want to do something fun.

This almost seems like a dictator telling all of his slaves to have fun. You're practically ordering us to make a stylish track. Some people don't have style. It's just like whenever someone can't sing in pitch. You can tell them to sing better, but it won't happen.

Your style is being yourself, and if someone's telling you to do something differently, then it's not your style anymore. It would be that other person's style. And if everyone has that person's style, then then every track will be just slightly different from one another. Bazinga, we just reached the same prediction you stated, by following what you told us to do.

There are more people with style than just ceweal and pure. Some others (And I list just a few) are Georgiojc, Votale, Summoning, Leomur, sheldon, SCG, and lankhert. Try to tell me with a straight face that these guys don't have style.

It was 9 PM, so of course it didn't make any sense. I just gave a lot of examples of what the future is gonna look like, in my opinion. It's a sunny day, and I know Rafael really deserves a reply, he just slapped me in my face, but you know... I've got some other things to do.

Every thread of me states my opinion, and if almost everyone doesn't agree with my opinion, I must be very different. But we already noticed that, I guess. I didn't create this thread to start a discussion, you know. It's just my perspective on things. And nobody knows how the future is gonna look like, even I.

I love how people take the effort to actually post some content instead of ''TLDR''.

Also, I don't think Lankher is breaking any rules, he can be nicer sometimes instead of being honest.

Helios Pavonine wrote:It was 9 PM, so of course it didn't make any sense.

What? I don't understand how it being 9 PM makes a difference. 9 PM is like... the beginning of a night full of homework.

I'll pull a Lankher (hehe just fo you Lanky<3) and be honest here... You're and idiot.

Tricks have nothing to do with style. And "style," actually, is something everyone, every single rider in history, has. It is their style. Your use of the word "style" is perverted into something you believe in your mind that it is, but it is completely different. What you mean when you say "style" is "Pure-style" or "Leomur-style." Yes, they both have their own unique styles. THAT'S NOT THE ONLY FREAKING STYLE IN LINE RIDE BIH. Highspeed, as Rafael said, is (a) style. It contains tricks, flow, and everything (Excluding stops) that a "Stylish" track (As I said before, style to you means Leo or Pure or Georgio) contains. You're so clueless when it comes to style that you think any stylish track can't have "complicated" tricks. You're stupid... haha look at White Trash at 0:17. It has a dual fling, 2nd peg tail and hand. Well I guess that kills all the style in my track, right?


Second, I hate you for saying "Can't we think of something new?" While be bust it making new tracks that we enjoy making you sit back, as someone before me said, "like a dictator telling us to have fun and make a stylish track." For one, you suck at Line Rider. I'm just saying, so don't even try to judge us on what we make since you can't do any of it yourself. Two, why do certain people stereotype tracks to "fling, fling, ASDF, kramual"? Can I please see one track that's like that? Lmao. ASDFs are actually pretty rare, flings are the most common thing in tracks right behind manuals, and kramuals are only overused by Kramwood and Sheldon lately.

Now, for your last idiot comment, you said "Pure is more amazing than LRG and Kramwood." For one, Kram is not the best rider ever. WHoever thinks he is... Stop playing Line Rider. His style is horrendous to me, but wait, he does have a style, just as every rider here, it's just not one I like. As for your assumptions on LRG, shut the [censored] hell up. You didn't even know Line Rider existed when LRG was at his peak of activity. He was doing stuff in 2008 that many people can't do today. Along with BHCS, he's the best and most creative scener in history. He was like a founding father of Line Rider. So screw you if you ever assume Pure is better than possibly the greatest rider in history. It could be that LRG peaked in 2008-2009 and was the Pure of that time. Thing is, you don't even know yet you make such stupid pre-assumptions. Pure has released a bunch of full-length tracks lately... Big whoop? You think he's the only one keeping Line Rider active? His tracks aren't keeping us here they just entertain us for a short time.

It takes a ton of people to make a community active, and that's all of us. Pure could be here by himself and release tracks at the same rate, but is it active? No

I'd love it if you stopped with your stupid threads now. Your opinions are so off it's hilarious. Raf's comment was basically perfect.

Georgio_jc wrote:All mouth and no trousers

this gave me a boner.

^lmao

In german this saying isn't that nasty haha

Votale wrote:I'll pull a Lankher (hehe just fo you Lanky<3) and be honest here... You're and idiot.

Votale wrote:and be honest here... You're and idiot.

Votale wrote:You're and idiot.

No, sorry i wouldn't fail that badly, mr Votale sir.

Spoiler:

Oh that wasn't directed at you btw.. lol but you know what i meant and is the new an. Silent d.

First off, trying to "make a style" is completely not what style is...
Style is how someone would put down lines without thinking; it would be your natural thought process of "what would I prefer to do at this moment."

My thought process would probably be, lets make a fling, and even at that, lets do something weird like a powerful hand fling. In that same situation Cereal's initial thought might be, "hmm, some airtime into a really smooth Tail fling would look good."

And to fully develop your style, you have to learn literally every trick that you can, because in any given situation, you might want to do a 2nd tail + shoulder asdf or something.

Helios Pavonine wrote:I've got some other things to do.

Also, did you switch your name back?

Haha, I actually thought that was a {username*} thing in the original post, and then I remembered my username is "pure5152" not "pure"... but that made me laugh anyways

first of all, I don't believe any one "style" is better than the other; each and every person has their own unique style that appeals to different people, and that style will always be both loved and hated by many. That's not the problem. The real problem is when people try establish one style as being better than the other, trying to 'standardize' line rider as a specific and idolized style.. whatever that means. But when you try to take someone's style like that, say kramwood's speedy and trick-heavy style, and criticize it to the point where it resembles this standardized and ideal style, what you're doing is you're devaluing that style, what it is; you're stealing what makes it unique and special. Some hate kram's style, but others, like myself, actually enjoy watching bosh mindlessly being bashed about and thrown soullessly around--it's actually enjoying to us.

The problem isn't tolerance, it's acceptance. We have to have an open and objective viewpoint when looking at tracks; we can't look at them in a limited and subjective manner. Everyone is different, and likewise, every line rider track is different as well. It's the subtleties, the things we often throw in vague categories: beautiful, stop-n-go, flowy, stylish, soulless, entertaining, boring, ugly. Instead of hating on tracks because they're not made in the kind of style we enjoy; instead of trying to force them to switch styles because it's getting repetitive; instead of forcing people to conform towards some standard; instead of trying to force people to do what they don't like doing; we should express acceptance, and encourage them to do what they love to do: making line rider tracks however they want. no standards. no judgement. if we do that, not only will more members be willing to express themselves without fear of judgement, but we'll have a more accepting, tolerating community that looks at tracks in their best light instead of subjecting them to unruly stereotypes.

regarding the rumor "line rider is dying" and "line rider is becoming elitist" I highly disagree. There are two types of track makers: the ones who take line rider to the limit, and the ones who utilize what's already discovered. And I'm assuming most of us fit in the second category. What's interesting about both categories is that the possibilities are limitless. However, the latter has more potential for innovation, for expansion. Because although trick discovery will slowly slow down to a crawl, there is an infinite amount of combinations tricks can be put together. This is what matters: putting tricks together in a way that is interesting and unique. that's what we call style. It's not about the tricks, it's about how you put those tricks together. And although knowing more tricks gives you a lot more leg room, you can still make a great track with a limited trick base, just like how you can write a brilliant essay with a limited vocabulary.

This is why I believe line rider will never die. People will always be finding new and innovative ways to position their lines to make brilliant tracks. You don't have to be an aspi or a kramwood or any crazy rider who makes tracks that focus on high speed and a variety of radical tricks. Master what you have, what you know, and you will go places.

(sorry, ramble much? xp thanks for reading if you did!)

EDIT: by the way, I'm not trying to change your opinion, I'm just trying to expand your perspective.

And where have our sceners been? Where's the enthusiasm? Why don't we just go scene our tracks and then, even if it's [censored], release it? Nobody will really hate it (Except for Lankher, but he's just a troll and I'm sure, if he didn't try to be funny but actually help people, he would be a good reviewer. Everyone has a heart and a soul.) but if we dug really deep into our hearts (not literally :|) we would know this beginner doesn't stand a chance in the Line Rider world. We're helping him though, because we're nice.

for me personally that would make me quit linerider. we're not machines, we can't just automatically scene a track in a day and release it and get positive feedback. i really can't have fun with linerider unless i make things detailed, i don't feel accomplished in linerider if i just draw a hill with a rail and that its. i have to make something someones never made before, something that and keeps people entertained, and guess what? that takes time. theres a reason why Incito Scaena took me 5 months. thers no way i could of made it as good as it was in just a week. hell, one of the monuments took me a week.

i do see where you're coming at, but scenery takes time and patience.

Even kramwood has a style, and i like that style, unlike Votale or Rafael. His style is incorporating fancy tricks into a highspeed track, and it's awesome that way. Somebody HAS to like someone's style, because no matter how ugly a style is to you, it's always relative.

A track without style is like a track with no lines.

Good Lord, another "Line Rider be dying" thread, with a little twist. So HP, are you not only blaming the lack of trackmakers/sceners in general, but also our efficiency? I gotta go with GhostY on this one: we really aren't machines. I'm certainly not the most efficient trackmaker in the world; that's why all my tracks are so painfully short.

And where have our sceners been? Where's the enthusiasm? Why don't we just go scene our tracks and then, even if it's [censored], release it?

Replace "sceners" with "trackmakers" and you have my predicament.
That's not necessarily a good thing, now, is it, HP? Also,

Rafael wrote:You don't know how any of us play. I don't play because I want to "reach the standards", I don't play because I want to make certain tricks. I play because I enjoy making what I make. It's extremely ignorant to think that everybody that doesn't have an awesome style doesn't care/think about style. Making tracks stylish is a talent. It's not something you can practice. I really try to make my tracks stylish but even though I can recognize a good style really quickly, I am just unable to make a stylish track.

I love you, man. My thoughts exactly.