How to give criticism
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How to give criticism
So lately I've been seeing too much bad criticism on tracks. There are few new people joining this forum, we have to give them a feeling that they are welcome. This takes more than saying "hi" in their introduction thread. So, to give good criticism you need to know a few things:
I think most people start Line Rider when they see other tracks and they're like "hey, I want to do that too!". They play around a bit, and decide to join a forum to see what they think about their tracks. A new member does not join to make new friends, he joins to show his tracks and sometimes to meet his Line Rider "idols" (if they have one).
How does a newb interpret Line Rider terms?
I don't know about you, but when I started Line Rider I did not know what alt flings, flanuals, every-frame flings, grolls and everything was. Neither do newbs now know what asdfs and hand-feet dual flings are. When you want to criticize someone who is new, you should think about the knowledge the person has about Line Rider. If someone just got the hang of gravity wells he doesn't know that flings work every 2 frames. Most of the time they think that they are just lots of the same gwells after eachother, not knowing that you've also got to think about other things. So if you say "practice on flings" they'll try, and most likely get something like this.
Then, if you say "keep practicing on flings" they'll have no idea what to do and may just give up. If you want to teach somebody something (and this counts for everything, pretty much), you have to explain what you're teaching him first.
In which order do people learn tricks?
When I made my first gwell, I could already do nose and tail manuals. I think I had been playing for 1 year when I made my first fling. My point here is, that people can't know how to do everything after the first moment they play Line Rider. It takes time to learn certain tricks. I've seen some newbies one of their tracks. It had some nose manuals but mostly existed out of flatsledding and airtime. Then I saw a comment saying "you should add some flings in your tracks". Now I'm pretty damn sure that if somebody can't do gwells he also can't do a fling. Think about yourself when you started Line Rider when you were around as good as the person you're criticizing, and think about the trick(s) you learned after that. Those are the tricks you should help the new person to learn.
What do people want to hear when they release a track?
When people release a track, they want their work to be complimented. They want to be praised for their work. So if they release a track (especially their first one, which is an achievement for many people who started Line Rider), they don't want to hear something like "that sucked". However, saying "That was a great track!" also isn't good, as then you would be lying. So what you should do is put everything in perspective. You should say something like "That was really good for your first track! Much better than my first one, that's for sure!" This way you're complimenting his track but you're not lying about what you say.
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So hopefully when you see a track like this, your criticism won't be like this:
But will now be more like this:
Thanks for reading, I hope you learned something
- Why do new people join this forum?
- How does a newb interpret Line Rider terms?
- In which order do people learn tricks?
- What do people want to hear when they release a track?
I think most people start Line Rider when they see other tracks and they're like "hey, I want to do that too!". They play around a bit, and decide to join a forum to see what they think about their tracks. A new member does not join to make new friends, he joins to show his tracks and sometimes to meet his Line Rider "idols" (if they have one).
How does a newb interpret Line Rider terms?
I don't know about you, but when I started Line Rider I did not know what alt flings, flanuals, every-frame flings, grolls and everything was. Neither do newbs now know what asdfs and hand-feet dual flings are. When you want to criticize someone who is new, you should think about the knowledge the person has about Line Rider. If someone just got the hang of gravity wells he doesn't know that flings work every 2 frames. Most of the time they think that they are just lots of the same gwells after eachother, not knowing that you've also got to think about other things. So if you say "practice on flings" they'll try, and most likely get something like this.
Then, if you say "keep practicing on flings" they'll have no idea what to do and may just give up. If you want to teach somebody something (and this counts for everything, pretty much), you have to explain what you're teaching him first.
In which order do people learn tricks?
When I made my first gwell, I could already do nose and tail manuals. I think I had been playing for 1 year when I made my first fling. My point here is, that people can't know how to do everything after the first moment they play Line Rider. It takes time to learn certain tricks. I've seen some newbies one of their tracks. It had some nose manuals but mostly existed out of flatsledding and airtime. Then I saw a comment saying "you should add some flings in your tracks". Now I'm pretty damn sure that if somebody can't do gwells he also can't do a fling. Think about yourself when you started Line Rider when you were around as good as the person you're criticizing, and think about the trick(s) you learned after that. Those are the tricks you should help the new person to learn.
What do people want to hear when they release a track?
When people release a track, they want their work to be complimented. They want to be praised for their work. So if they release a track (especially their first one, which is an achievement for many people who started Line Rider), they don't want to hear something like "that sucked". However, saying "That was a great track!" also isn't good, as then you would be lying. So what you should do is put everything in perspective. You should say something like "That was really good for your first track! Much better than my first one, that's for sure!" This way you're complimenting his track but you're not lying about what you say.
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So hopefully when you see a track like this, your criticism won't be like this:
That wasn't good at all. You almost only went to the right and you the only trick I've seen was flatsledding. Add some manuals and flings and hopefully it'd look much better then.
But will now be more like this:
As you can see, I complimented his work, I gave him tips about how to improve his track that he is certainly able to do and I explained the saying "improve your direction" because that wouldn't say anything to him.That's a great track for your first! It's really fast compared to my first track! If I were you, I'd try to let Bosh to some more directions. This track mostly went rightwards, and it'd be much more fun to go up, down and to the left too!
Keep playing!
Thanks for reading, I hope you learned something
Last edited by Rafael on Mon May 09, 2011 4:45 pm; edited 4 times in total
Rafael- Line Rider Legend
Re: How to give criticism
I've recently realized that too and I have to say:
Rafael, you're a great member! Thanks for pointing it out! This thread should be stickied.
Rafael, you're a great member! Thanks for pointing it out! This thread should be stickied.
Georgio_jc- Line Rider Legend
Re: How to give criticism
Totally agreed with everything!.. but .. what's that about flings work per second frame? O.o
Hotflash- Member
Re: How to give criticism
Aka, don't be a d*ck.
What I normally do: With beginners, I'm easygoing. They hang off of people's words like your mom hangs off of-- you know what? I won't go there. Anyways, being nice is great. It gets you good friends. My friend is a complete asshat sometimes and it's really hard to deal with. No one likes him as much. I rant alot, but that's because of my feeling of fairness or morality, and no ill-will is meant to any person in particular. Criticisms are welcome when someone knows just what you're criticizing, and someone who barely knows you may not perceive it exactly the way you do. And that goes for people who know you well over the internet, too.
I think that telling someone what exactly they did wrong (or right) or what they can improve upon is of the utmost importance. Conveying the idea takes a ton of work. Conveying all of it is near impossible, in my opinion. It's like explaining the experience of looking through specially made (just for you) glasses to someone who cannot see. However, try to get an idea across of where exactly someone went wrong. It takes a lot of work, but work gives way to improvement, and it's all worthwhile in the end.
Flings every second frame are normally very powerful @hotflash. Also, it will only really pick up, I think every two frames.
What I normally do: With beginners, I'm easygoing. They hang off of people's words like your mom hangs off of-- you know what? I won't go there. Anyways, being nice is great. It gets you good friends. My friend is a complete asshat sometimes and it's really hard to deal with. No one likes him as much. I rant alot, but that's because of my feeling of fairness or morality, and no ill-will is meant to any person in particular. Criticisms are welcome when someone knows just what you're criticizing, and someone who barely knows you may not perceive it exactly the way you do. And that goes for people who know you well over the internet, too.
I think that telling someone what exactly they did wrong (or right) or what they can improve upon is of the utmost importance. Conveying the idea takes a ton of work. Conveying all of it is near impossible, in my opinion. It's like explaining the experience of looking through specially made (just for you) glasses to someone who cannot see. However, try to get an idea across of where exactly someone went wrong. It takes a lot of work, but work gives way to improvement, and it's all worthwhile in the end.
Flings every second frame are normally very powerful @hotflash. Also, it will only really pick up, I think every two frames.
hypothet- Member
- don't read this
Re: How to give criticism
most flings only work every other frame due to how the lines work. most everyframes turn into grolls or kill him.
KillinTime2792- Member
Re: How to give criticism
Very good done, Rafael. It's important to motivate new members
Sssschiller- Member
Re: How to give criticism
Great thread
Hell, to be honest I don't know what half those tricks are, haha. But the idea is encouragement and progression. If you unable to do this, don't let me ever catch you making a "linerider is dieing" thread
Hell, to be honest I don't know what half those tricks are, haha. But the idea is encouragement and progression. If you unable to do this, don't let me ever catch you making a "linerider is dieing" thread
Re: How to give criticism
Black text = srs bsns
THANK YOU Rafael, it's about time someone made a thread about this. I always find it awkward trying to think of something to post on a newbs first/second track. I also know that it took me about 6 months to figure out basic nose manuals.
Oh, and I remember when you released Aura with Klinga. I thought it was really good at the time
THANK YOU Rafael, it's about time someone made a thread about this. I always find it awkward trying to think of something to post on a newbs first/second track. I also know that it took me about 6 months to figure out basic nose manuals.
Oh, and I remember when you released Aura with Klinga. I thought it was really good at the time
Cereal- Line Rider Legend
Re: How to give criticism
Brilliant tutorial Rafael, possibly new members will stay longer from now on, if people do what's told in the tut.
Kohuda- Member
Re: How to give criticism
Thanks for the positive comments, guys It's always nice to help people out.
@ Cereal, black text, vry srs bsns
@ Cereal, black text, vry srs bsns
Rafael- Line Rider Legend
Re: How to give criticism
Don't you think it's a little saddening that a thread like this has to be made in the first place? I mean, a tutorial on how to give criticism are we really that (what's the word I'm looking for?) jaded?
Wizzy- Member
Re: How to give criticism
Yes, we are. We are the elitists who've seen the pinnacle of what has been accomplished. So when some new guy comes on and posts a kickflip, we're like "saw that in 2008". Fight that urge!
And just remember that it can be rather humbling to look for advice from people they might have only known by videos on youtube.
And just remember that it can be rather humbling to look for advice from people they might have only known by videos on youtube.
Re: How to give criticism
"We" is not always "us" as a community, chih. We've seen the pinnacle, sure, but all of us have not seen the ultimate accomplishment, and we need to remember that every person that posts a video may or may not be part of that ultimate accomplishment. We all started out just like that person. We are just like them, because they started out like us.
That's my opinion. Good luck figuring it out and interpreting it.
That's my opinion. Good luck figuring it out and interpreting it.
hypothet- Member
- don't read this
Re: How to give criticism
But to a new member, "we" are only as good as the ones who respond. That's all I was saying
Re: How to give criticism
Jeez, I guess things must have gone down the tubes since I stopped watching Lr vids/posting in them.
Nice job being jerks .
Nice job being jerks .
Re: How to give criticism
rafael, that was actually pretty descriptive :3 Ty
But it seems to be ironic though :/
But it seems to be ironic though :/
linerage- Member
Re: How to give criticism
Linerage does make a point. Rafael isn't exactly the nicest guy about criticism lol. Most of the time (and I'm not tryin to pick on you) all I ever hear him say is "oh you could do better."
Wizzy- Member
Re: How to give criticism
Wizzy, stop making an arguement ..it's senseless. and even if he does, at least he tries to become better? sorry swearing alert.
Georgio_jc- Line Rider Legend
Re: How to give criticism
I'm not making an argument, I'm agreeing with linerage. It is pretty ironic the guy that doesn't give the best criticism is showing us how to give it.
Wizzy- Member
Re: How to give criticism
Thanks for taking the time to make this.
+Maybe if people stumble upon a random track on YouTube, they could give them criticism and then point them here.
+Maybe if people stumble upon a random track on YouTube, they could give them criticism and then point them here.
ACwazHere- Member
- fuck around and get dunked on
Re: How to give criticism
flings work every 2 frames.
I just learnt something new.
I just learnt something new.
Yobanjojoe- Member
- swag
Re: How to give criticism
There are tons of tracks being released every day, it's a shame that so few people try to get them into this communityACwazHere wrote:Thanks for taking the time to make this.
+Maybe if people stumble upon a random track on YouTube, they could give them criticism and then point them here.
Rafael- Line Rider Legend
Re: How to give criticism
How do nembz interput with LR: Acctually some people like me found the linerider site and decided to make tracks though i sucked at linerider for about two years back in 2008, though when I went on youtube for my frist time witch was four years ago and searched linerider and found uncounds tracks and an old track made by someone who lives in france. That is kind of how i got inspiried my self though i only could do manuls but looking at the tracks we see today, i got way better at linerider and it took me 6 months to work on flings, XY, manuals and quircks. I agree with the rest, just not, how nembz interput with LR.
Stallie- Member
Re: How to give criticism
I think you misinterpret the meaning of interpretingstallie wrote:How do nembz interput with LR: Acctually some people like me found the linerider site and decided to make tracks though i sucked at linerider for about two years back in 2008, though when I went on youtube for my frist time witch was four years ago and searched linerider and found uncounds tracks and an old track made by someone who lives in france. That is kind of how i got inspiried my self though i only could do manuls but looking at the tracks we see today, i got way better at linerider and it took me 6 months to work on flings, XY, manuals and quircks. I agree with the rest, just not, how nembz interput with LR.
How do newbs interpret tricks means what people think a certain trick is when they hear it... or something like that, can't really describe it perfectly
What I meant was that noobs don't know how a fling works the first time they see one, and this works the same with pretty much any other trick.
Rafael- Line Rider Legend
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