Line Rider - Paper AIRplane - A Lesson In Airtime

chaomocha wrote:um wizzums, this is the exact same style holocomb did for td's make believe tracks... imo you not done with this one yet

either way, really really sick track, so smooth and great example of what airtime shlould be. awesome job, keep it up!! +rep

Rafael wrote:Repetive. That's the first thing I thought.
Mad it doesnt have anyhting else in it?
I liked it for like 30 seconds, but then it needed something else.
I think this is really basic airtime use.
if this is basic, whats advanced airtime? -.- To me, airtime is just airtime. You're treating it like everything else (Ex. It needs to be taken to the next level) However, its airtime. I doubt you can get more advanced.
Not annoying, but I didn't like it either. Good airtime use is airtime you love, and not airtime you don't dislike.
Oh, and only the first curve was from Make Believe.
False.

Wizzy wrote:

chaomocha wrote:um wizzums, this is the exact same style holocomb did for td's make believe tracks... imo you not done with this one yet

either way, really really sick track, so smooth and great example of what airtime shlould be. awesome job, keep it up!! +rep

The beginning IS make believe watch make believe and then watch this, theyre both the same

Wizzy wrote:

Rafael wrote:Repetive. That's the first thing I thought.
Mad it doesnt have anyhting else in it?
Yes, but I don't get your reaction. What does it have to do with it?
I liked it for like 30 seconds, but then it needed something else.
I think this is really basic airtime use.
if this is basic, whats advanced airtime? -.-
To me, airtime is just airtime. You're treating it like everything else (Ex. It needs to be taken to the next level) However, its airtime. I doubt you can get more advanced.
Read my post and you'll see what I mean by good/advanced airtime.
Not annoying, but I didn't like it either. Good airtime use is airtime you love, and not airtime you don't dislike.
Oh, and only the first curve was from Make Believe.
False.
True, in Make Believe a line tips Bosh after the first curve, and it didn't here. Therefore it's not exactly like Make Believe, which you claim it to be.
Besides, I don't get why you're so glad it's the start from Make Believe.

Wizzy wrote:

chaomocha wrote:um wizzums, this is the exact same style holocomb did for td's make believe tracks... imo you not done with this one yet

either way, really really sick track, so smooth and great example of what airtime shlould be. awesome job, keep it up!! +rep

The beginning IS make believe watch make believe and then watch this, theyre both the same

IGLima wrote:I agree with Rabid and Raf about the overuse of airtime, which kind of ruins the track. =/

rabid squirrel wrote:You made it similar to make believe, but he falls further on the first curve and is tipped into the second.

This is honestly a TERRIBLE example of airtime. Well, the airtimes themselves were ok, but, like anything, if you abuse it as you did in this track, it gets very boring very fast. Airtime isn't fun without the non-airtime parts of it. Take a track with no airtime and put about 30% of the airtimes in this track in that one and that'd be much better.
I don't see this as a terrible example, I see this as a really good example of airtime, just over used. Honestly, I was going for more of an airtime track than anything.

Also, A good track has a range of all kinds of airtimes used at appropriate moments that catch you off guard. Some airtimes are only maybe 3 frames, and some as much as 2 seconds, and they can be up to 5 seconds or even more if placed well, to build suspense, to sync with the music, or to fly past something. Some airtimes he may barely move at all, and some airtimes he may move very fast very suddenly, and some airtimes he may go straight up and come down, and some airtimes he may just fall for dramatic effect. And some airtimes might be smooth and medium-speed, like yours.
You're right, I only used one type of airtime here I guess >_<

This track was predictable and repetitive. Virtually ALL of your airtimes were about a second, and were basically all a constant medium speed.
I don't agree with this. Some of the airtimes in this track were at different speeds and some lasted longer than others.

Watch Pendulum by anomaly again (or another anomaly track) and notice how airtime is not just made, but used in such a way to emphasize things.
I see this now that you point this out. You mean like to emphasize tricks and such?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PODcfzbWxik

^ That's what I call a heck of a lesson in airtime

EDIT: wow that sounded like an angry post. I will say that your track did airtime very well in that particular smooth style, and that the track was overall very smooth. I'm just seeing a LOT of very smooth tracks these days, and almost all your tracks are this same smooth style. It was great the first time in fatality, but I am dying to see you branch out. Plus this one was basically all nose manuals. AND it was rather rude of you to claim you're teaching us something.
I don't exactly know how to change my style of smoothness, seeing as almost everyones style is un-changable. I don't think I would want to change it anyway, that's like asking Anomaly to change his style of awesome funk. It would be dumb because that's what makes Anomaly so awesome at track making
I don't think it was rude, I think it was showcasing a good example of airtime. I don't mean I'm teaching you as in it can only be done this way and you're all doing it wrong. I mean this is how it could be done and is a good example (I think I just repeated myself, I've been up for 24 hours.)

I hope you don't take this post the wrong way.
Not at all.

Wizzy,
let me get this clear.
Your track is in no way a lesson in airtime,
since it was badly executed. You didn't balance airtime and non-airtime,
which makes this a bad track. This, is an example of bad flow. Airtime
is something you shouldn't overuse. And you totally did. This is more of
an example how it shouldn't be done than how it should be done.
I disagree. At least with the airtime being badly executed. Also, what would you know about flow? There's more than one type of flow, just FYI. This is how it COULD be done, not how it SHOULDN'T.

Also, I'm kinda sick of you wanting to
show us how it's done, while you still have a lot to learn. You're a
respected trackmaker, but you aren't a legend who knows exactly how it's
done. Instead of wanting to "learn" us stuff, you could stop taking it
all so seriously and just do whatever you want without a goal.
I've been around for many years, long before you and others. I know how most things are done wrongly and correctly. This isn't done wrong, like you keep saying it is. It's just being over done. Like in math class, you do a problem over and over and over and over again. This is just what this is. Just very boring like doing math problems. IMO I find this quite enjoyable to watch for myself. There is no goal in this track. It's simply showing a good use of airtime. It's not bad, it's not wrong. It's over done.

Wizzy wrote:

rafael wrote:
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is something you shouldn't overuse. And you totally did. This is more of
an example how it shouldn't be done than how it should be done.
I disagree. At least with the airtime being badly executed. Also, what would you know about flow? There's more than one type of flow, just FYI. This is how it COULD be done, not how it SHOULDN'T.
Why are you questioning his knowledge of flow? Just because he does different types of tracks than you, you think you have some high and mighty power because you are an 'older' member and make better tracks than just 'lame quirk crap'

Also, I'm kinda sick of you wanting to
show us how it's done, while you still have a lot to learn. You're a
respected trackmaker, but you aren't a legend who knows exactly how it's
done. Instead of wanting to "learn" us stuff, you could stop taking it
all so seriously and just do whatever you want without a goal.
I've been around for many years, long before you and others. I know how most things are done wrongly and correctly. This isn't done wrong, like you keep saying it is. It's just being over done. Like in math class, you do a problem over and over and over and over again. This is just what this is. Just very boring like doing math problems. IMO I find this quite enjoyable to watch for myself. There is no goal in this track. It's simply showing a good use of airtime. It's not bad, it's not wrong. It's over done.
Hmm, I wonder where I would get an idea of the above green "you think you have some high and mighty power because you are
an 'older' member and make better tracks than just 'lame quirk crap'" Of course it can't be wrong. No track can be WRONG. I'll leave it at that just because lol and I have a lot to catch up on since i've been gone for like 4 days.

Also, for everyone saying "too many nose manuals needs more tailies", I think I stated in the description, this is a very simple track focusing on airtime and nothing else. I made it all nose because I thought it would be nice to see an all nose manual track, like in the old days. Remember those? Good times. If it honestly bothers everyone so much that this track is boring, I'll gladly take the time to create a new track showcasing more good uses of different airtimes.
Old days style = /= entertaining/'nice to see'. Simple tracks can still have tail manuals.

Rafael wrote:Repetive. That's the first thing I thought.
Mad it doesnt have anyhting else in it?
Yes, but I don't get your reaction. What does it have to do with it?
He is trying to make fun of you for being a quirker/whatever. Which is pretty pathetic.