Eden 2

The alt flings were soo pretty.

Sssschiller wrote:I might be the only one, but I like Eden 2 more than Eden 1

did it not come across in my review? O.o

for the record: this track is a masterpiece and I liked it better than Eden 1. Considered giving it a shoe for a bit.

For me the music really killed it. Though the end sync was one of the best endings I've ever seen, the music on the whole didn't really add much to the track. The pace of the music altered constantly whilst the speed of the track didn't change whatsoever at parts.
However, the track itself was phenomenal! Really, you've clearly spent a lot of time making this track the wonderful track it is. I honestly am in awe of the whole thing, amazing stuff man <3

Alright, time to reply.

intro was way too long

Negative comments on Gone's long intro: basically none.
Negative comments on Eden 2s long intro: around 9.
My point is clear.

intro did not set the mood

I made the mistake by saying this would be released the next day. I overestimated the time I had to edit and I'm sorry for that. Apart from that, the intro is an incredibly well-made demo played in realtime from a 64 kB file. Pretty sweet, amiright?

syncs were not perfect

Up until the manual part, the track wasn't supposed to sync. I made the decision to step away from Nightwish halfway-through (because I rather have a track with more ''content'' than a rush through a meaningless track with impressive tricks) and perhaps, with that decision, I should've changed the name. Oh well. The original song is Song of Myself btw.

Also, me and .boo had a little chat about this. He said: ''With syncing, it's like 'go big or go home'. But that wasn't my intention with Gone.'' What the hell happened to if it's good to ya, it's good for ya? WHY does every little moment have to sync with the actual track in order for it to be classified as ''well synced''? @Rabid: if I want to slow down something, I just do it. I don't need to have a reason for it (though I had one: I got called out on the lack of speed variation in Eden so I took the feedback seriously and added speed variation, as well as manuals and more 'fun' bits like the progressive quirk for a more dynamic feeling).

overhype

Hype motivates me to finish the track. Let's take a look at the actual preview thread. I have never stated that this track is good. I've only put up a load of pictures and progress reports. How is this 'overhype' when the final result is a masterpiece to some?

Jam's comment

Thanks for no constructive criticism at all. The 'keep it up' doesn't suffice for me and doesn't compensate the enormous amount of what seems like hatred towards me. I want to see you do better.

didn't like the music

This is personal taste, and doesn't say anything about the track.

I wasn't anticipated at all

I didn't base this off you, but rather comments like

Can't wait to see your 10xgravity kramual-quirk in Eden 2!

just dropping by to say I'm excited for all this

And from what I've seen on the stream, it's incredible

omg omg omg omg omg omg . omg omg omg ong ing omg omg omgo.g hrhehdbdhehshdhfjdhxhxururuduorgasmhehrbdhfjrhdhwiajdnfnfjahaggh

That's that. Lastly, I'm really grateful for all the positive feedback. Makes me happy to see there are some people who understand my vision

I'm sorry, did you really just try to defend yourself from what we suggest? We say what we say for a reason, and while Jam was certainly a bit mean about his, I feel like it would be the least you could do to be courteous about our opinions, instead of telling us why we're wrong. That's why it is an opinion, and not fact. So maybe we didn't like it as much as your other stuff. If you liked it, that's great. You should be making these tracks for your own enjoyment anyways. Just don't try to force your enjoyment on others.

Why can't HP explain the reasons behind what he did in his track?

Ok ok ok, about the who 'intro' thing, the intro to Gone, while it was considerably long, it sort of built up the hype for the track. In Eden 2, it was just some unfitting song with flashy editing where nothing really happens for a good 40 seconds.

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Shotoku wrote:Why can't HP explain the reasons behind what he did in his track?

This. I haven't told the full backstory of this track, so I feel like some opinions may be at expense of it. For example, imagine that you were told as a kid that elephants don't exist. I'm trying to show you elephants, so that your opinion is less one-sided. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong (because no opinion is wrong), I'm trying to make it better established. You are still allowed to think the same, though.

^Like a boss.

I could see explaining reasons, but to me this just felt like whining that you didn't get better reviews. I'm sorry if I misunderstood.

Y'all are right.

- Opal is right. HP could do with a little less defensiveness
- but HP has a right to explain.
- But it could have been done more respectfully
- But the comments could have been more respectful in the first place
- And Jam was definitely a douche to HP.
- But Cereal is right about the intro

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Okay now for a few things I want to say.

1. I think a lot of the hype was from the giant "EDEN 2" in your signature

2. The song was REALLY heavy, and a really bold choice, so I assumed you had planned it from the beginning. The lyrics DEMAND your attention.

3. I'm only hard on people with the syncing if they say "I synced this to this song" if they just play that song I'm like, okay they just picked it out. It annoys me that boo can be like "This track is synced" and then when I'm like "badly" he's like "oh but it's INTENTIONAL not-caring about how good the syncs are" - that's not called artistry that's called laziness. If you don't care much about the syncs, don't claim that it's synced!

4. I mentioned the slowing down because the song didn't change but the track did,going along with the syncing thing.

Guys, quit acting like he had to meet some standard when it came to this track. TBH I hardly saw any hype besides his signature. I even poked fun at the name and stuff. But really guys, really? He made a pretty damn impressive track. Had he of used a completely different song and not bothered with sync, none of this BS would of happened. This is one of those few tracks that fun to watch without the music, so why complain that it's there?

I think you just have to expect criticism, with any track of this scale. Hyped or not. And what's funny is that the controversy always makes the track more memorable.

Commandercoke wrote:I think you just have to expect criticism, with any track of this scale. Hyped or not. And what's funny is that the controversy always makes the track more memorable.

This.

Surprised nobody brought up MMX.

Helios Pavonine wrote:Thanks for no constructive criticism at all. The 'keep it up' doesn't suffice for me and doesn't compensate the enormous amount of what seems like hatred towards me. I want to see you do better.

Excuse me while I break it down for you. I gave plenty of constructive criticism. I said the intro was stupid and you should study a bit more editing so you don't bore your watchers to near-death. I said the sync was not top notch, and that is proved by a comment by someone, can't be bothered to check who, who said you changed your mind on the song midway through (must admit the sync at the end was great, though). I said the track was not emotional, and it really wasn't -- impactful does not equal emotional.

And if it doesn't suffice for you, you can go ahead and [bad thing], you entitled, arrogant, [bad thing]. No, I won't do better in technical quirk because it is a genre I despise. TYVM

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Hey. I think you done good. #wecaretoomuch

Put your tracks back up man

If it makes you feel any better, I knew the song beforehand. I love dubstep and electronic, so I got amped for the track. I had not read any comments about it beforehand, and I wasn't even expecting any sync. And since I haven't been around for long, I don't have the super high sync standards everyone has I guess, because when it started going to the song I thought it was pretty DAMN awesome. Very impressive.

in all honesty, I was a little surprised by the avant garde approach to "emotional trackmaking" and disliked the track at first. but upon every rewatch I grew more and more fond of the track. now I love it and think what you did and how you built tension in the track perfectly fit the song. very beautiful, and I love the symbolic meaning of the ending. very well executed. love your work.

but now I'm sad you took down the original version of the track now I only have rofl's version, which isn't as great because it's zoomed out and doesn't have the emotional significance. his version feels very shallow compared to yours.

please put back the original version? or at least give the video file to rabid so he can put it up on irtltube. I already miss it lots

Yep Jam, the previous music suited it far better!

pure5152 wrote:in all honesty, I was a little surprised by the avant garde approach to "emotional trackmaking" and disliked the track at first. but upon every rewatch I grew more and more fond of the track. now I love it and think what you did and how you built tension in the track perfectly fit the song. very beautiful, and I love the symbolic meaning of the ending. very well executed. love your work.

but now I'm sad you took down the original version of the track now I only have rofl's version, which isn't as great because it's zoomed out and doesn't have the emotional significance. his version feels very shallow compared to yours.

please put back the original version? or at least give the video file to rabid so he can put it up on irtltube. I already miss it lots

I'm pretty sure he deleted the video files from his computer too, if he was that dedicated to leaving.

This is quite the circlejerk. I thought it looked cool

best track this year, not over-hyped at all

the people saying editing ruined this track are the same who usually say editing doesn't matter but that's already been said