Round 5 - Poll #1

Wizzy wrote:I couldn't agree more with you.
Rafael, I think I've explained this to you once before where it's not about speed, trick, or even flow, but the enjoyment you get from watching it and creating it is whats really worth a first place tournament of champions trophy.
I never really liked BC, Party Crasher gmv for obvious reasons. <3 you pure, I'm glad you managed to make it this far.

Wizzy wrote:That's because I don't think Heart Attack is really all that impressive. I never did, I think it's just over rated.
The flat sledding was.. not good, and had too much of it. The only thing I think Heart Attack had going for it was the high speed, which anybody can do. Sorry Raf, I just don't see what was so special about it.

Rafael wrote:

Wizzy wrote:

Z_N-Freak wrote:

Rafael wrote:I find it unbelievable Party Crasher even got in the Elite Eight. If it gets into the Final Four against Blue Champion, then I'll be highly disappointed into the community. IMO, BC is better than Party Crasher in every single way. It is much longer, it's perfectly synced to the music. I LOVE the style in BC, only for 2:10 - 2:13 I'd vote for it. The tricks are so much better. It's almost as good as Incito in tricks.
No offence to you Pure, but I can't believe you're so close to Blue Champion.

You mean if it gets into the Final Four WIHTOUT Blue Champion? And why the heck would you be dissapointed. Party Crasher is such a fun track. I think this might be a good example of me vs anomaly indeed. I never understood why I won from anomaly all the time and though he always stays very polite and stuff, I feel his tracks are way more fun too watch. Much more original. The way of bosh moving about doing his thing is just awesome too look at. All the standard tricks that might not have been so standard a while back are awesome and all, but it shouldn´t define a track in my opinion. It can of course, but I´m not as much entertained by it in comparison to a track like On a Roll. I´d probably vote that over BC too, no offence to IGGB here.

I just rewatched BC and I do really like it at times, but the music that you praise to be synced so perfectly is really not that perfectly synced. IGGB did the best job ever I think to really make a track especially for a song, but fact is that it just doesn´t really fit that well at times (and maybe it´s just not a really good song for a Line Rider track at all tbh, though it´s an awesome song).
The tricks in BC are definitely at times of a better "quality" or w/e you want to call it. Though for me especially the really long fling part is not that fun to watch. It´s really impressive and I applaud IGGB for doing such crazy things, but at times it´s a bit boring. Bosh is just getting flinged, ok, big deal. Another example is at the beginning there are some flowkilling manuals. There´s just a bunch of these factors which makes me have more fun watching PC instead of BC and luckily this is not a "who does the most different tricks" or "who makes the longest track" because then indeed BC would win.

Btw, I might even like POW better then BC for some strange reason. Thing is, I watch it a lot more, I hadn´t watched BC even once after my first time watching it up untill now in the ToC and POW I´ve viewed several times. Maybe it´s because of the music, maybe it´s because it´s just a short fun watch, I don´t know.

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Just watched Party Crasher again and I´m happy with my vote.
I think basically what it comes down to is that I enjoy watching denser tracks with more controll over the movement of bosh instead of Highspeed + the variety of trick types. The denser tracks involve more stop and go stuff, thrusts of speed, instead of the highspeed you seem to like a lot. It´s just an opinion people are allowed to have. Line Rider will always be a form of art and art is just a tricky thing to judge.

I couldn't agree more with you.
Rafael, I think I've explained this to you once before where it's not about speed, trick, or even flow, but the enjoyment you get from watching it and creating it is whats really worth a first place tournament of champions trophy.
I never really liked BC, Party Crasher gmv for obvious reasons. <3 you pure, I'm glad you managed to make it this far.

So basicly a flatsled track should win ToC3?

I agree with you that entertainment is a big factor, but it's not everything. Oh, and you've never explained anything to me.

Z_N-Freak wrote:I think it should be a possibility! Something like Pineapple Factory is seriously a splendid track. And also Rovano´s TRS 3 - The Rush has in my opinion a high entertainment value. Pineapple lacks a bit of variety though, but that´s because of it being made for a contest. If Nirobi would go all out having flatsledding the main theme though, I think it would make for an interesting ToC track. The Rush is pretty darn perfect, although the problem today is that BS is just too amazing =p I dare say though that if it was TRS 3 - The Rush vs BC, there is a good chance I´d vote for The Rush. Just to clarify again, it´s not that I hate BC or anything, it´s a splendid showcasing of linerider skill, but I´m just not that highly entertained by it.

I´d appriciate it btw if you would respond to my previous post instead of just replying to wizzy.

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dude, calm down. It´s just a competition, no lives at stake.

Rafael wrote:

Wizzy wrote:I couldn't agree more with you.
Rafael, I think I've explained this to you once before where it's not about speed, trick, or even flow, but the enjoyment you get from watching it and creating it is whats really worth a first place tournament of champions trophy.
I never really liked BC, Party Crasher gmv for obvious reasons. <3 you pure, I'm glad you managed to make it this far.

So basicly a flatsled track should win ToC3?

I agree with you that entertainment is a big factor, but it's not everything. Oh, and you've never explained anything to me.
Oh, and something else.

Wizzy wrote:That's because I don't think Heart Attack is really all that impressive. I never did, I think it's just over rated.
The flat sledding was.. not good, and had too much of it. The only thing I think Heart Attack had going for it was the high speed, which anybody can do. Sorry Raf, I just don't see what was so special about it.

This was your reason for voting for Archaeology. You f***ing hypocrite.

Wizzy wrote:lol @ rage.
First of all, settle down there. Second of all, I did explain it to you on msn, I remember having that convo.
Third of all, everyone in the entire world is a hypocrite, but what I am saying does make sense and in no way contradicts itself. You just misinterpret what I'm saying, all the time. In line rider the only thing I've ever cared about was the entertainment factor. When I say the only thing heart attack had going for it blah blah blah, I meant that was the only thing I really enjoyed.

Wizzy wrote:Also, I'm not trying to teach you anything, I'm trying to show you how things can be done or seen in a different way. So I guess sort of teaching but it's my opinion I share. Hedge does this, why can't I? New ways to improve, new ways to make complex tracks, the different uses of airtime, etc.

Wizzy wrote:One more thing, are you just mad because I didn't vote for you? Archaeology is win. No offense.

Rafael wrote:

Wizzy wrote:lol @ rage.
First of all, settle down there. Second of all, I did explain it to you on msn, I remember having that convo.
Third of all, everyone in the entire world is a hypocrite, but what I am saying does make sense and in no way contradicts itself. You just misinterpret what I'm saying, all the time. In line rider the only thing I've ever cared about was the entertainment factor. When I say the only thing heart attack had going for it blah blah blah, I meant that was the only thing I really enjoyed.

In that convo you said something like "my track is going to be 100% style, no hard stuff. Just style. I'll show you what I mean." (another example of you showing how it's done)
Burn This City did have style, and I never said "look this is how its done!" BTC was actually a track I experiemented with by using semi-simple tricks for different reasons. Like one of the shoulder flings being used to gain speed without turning, and then the loop one shortly after that to continue the same direction.
, you were talking about "Burn This City", and yeah... That was in no way a track that really stood out to me tbh. At least not compared to your other tracks.
Look at it and view how each trick is being used, you'll see what I mean (don't misinterpret this into me saying "THATS HOW YOU DO IT!"
And Heart Attack consisted for 100% out of highspeed, and your reason for not voting for Heart Attack was because "anybody can do that".
Yes, Heart Attack was all about speed, which many many MANY people have made highspeed tracks. (Ex: FlagCapper Tacyonic, ZNF Epinephrine, Hkay That one track that's a spell from Harry Potter) That's why I didn't really think Heart Attack was that great, because anyone can make a high speed track like that.
I don't see how I can possibly misinterpret that. I literally quoted it from your post in there. I'm fine with you not voting for me, but your reason was anybody could do that. And the thing that pisses me off is the fact you're all like "Rafael, don't you know? Tracks are about entertainment!" now.
I've always been like that The reason why I don't like most quirks. All look the same to me, have same genre of music, etc. I like the tracks that stick out a little more and even the tracks that are simple and have simple scenery (<3 you AC)

Wizzy wrote:Also, I'm not trying to teach you anything, I'm trying to show you how things can be done or seen in a different way. So I guess sort of teaching but it's my opinion I share. Hedge does this, why can't I? New ways to improve, new ways to make complex tracks, the different uses of airtime, etc.

If this was what you did, I'd be completely fine with what you do.

Wizzy wrote:One more thing, are you just mad because I didn't vote for you? Archaeology is win. No offense.

Did you even read my post? Didn't it, in any way, come in your mind that my post was pointed towards your attitude, and not to your choice?
You came off like you were mad that I didn't vote for you, hence the rage.
And look at my comment in Archaeology.