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Post by rabid squirrel on Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:55 am

All the videos were deleted off his "VotaleX" YouTube channel. (I discovered this while browsing my favorites and realizing Roborant was gone D: ) Fortunately, I have them all thanks to my archive project!

Votale's Vimeo is still up:
https://vimeo.com/user1865431
Votale's old TeamAwesome channel and the Groove Clan channel are both still up:
https://www.youtube.com/user/TeaMAwesoMeLR
https://www.youtube.com/user/LRGroove
His Sled Cast episode is also available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBasNUF9CmA

I've reuploaded these videos already:
- Norpee
- Dank Nasty
- Sublime
- 3 Shorts
- White Trash
- Vitamin
- Whimsical
- Roborant
- HEAT
- Rebirth
Playlist here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoKj2krkU6XeI-4YFujcG1DL5pep6SZO2

Here's a screenshot of nearly all the videos I have in his archive folder:
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If there is a video you'd like to see again that hasn't already been reuploaded, well you've come to the right place, you fabulous human, because that's what this thread is for! Ask and ye shall receive! Smile

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Re: Votale's vids

Post by Apple on Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:39 am

Why does this happen so often? Is this youtube for some reason, or the user doing this?
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Post by rabid squirrel on Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:32 am

It varies. In this instance they were removed by the user. No reason has been given that I am aware of. This kind of no-explanation takedown is quite common and dates back to Nollez and willster092 in 2007 and Holcomb227 in 2008, and forward to the more recent examples of ClosedDoor/RovanO, Shammies, kraettz, PainLobster, and MartinJulenissen. As for why they do it.... beats me. It's not uncommon that I find some partial success in asking them to put the videos back up, if they were merely set to private, so I think part of it is that they are unaware that people still care about their videos, but that wouldn't be a sufficient motivation to delete them all. Maybe part of it is how easy YouTube makes it - with a few clicks in 30 seconds, poof, all your videos are gone.

Sometimes it is YouTube doing the video takedowns, though entire accounts are typically rare there are examples such as ZNF and Phyxius where YouTube issues three strikes within the 6 month window on audio in old videos.

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Post by OTDE on Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:04 pm

Yo can we get reclaim back? I'd like to reclaim reclaim (I love the RHCP groove)

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Post by rabid squirrel on Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:39 pm

@OTDE wrote:Yo can we get reclaim back? I'd like to reclaim reclaim (I love the RHCP groove)
Reuploaded and added to the playlist Thumbs Up

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Post by [senpai] kevans on Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:17 pm

Can we at least verify this is what votale wanted? I don't see why it's so hard to actually ask what happened.
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Re: Votale's vids

Post by Votale on Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:40 am

I made them private. Oops. If there are specific ones you guys would like me to make public again, I can. Channel just felt cluttered with "shorts" lol and I planned to use the channel for other things than LR, but don't need to. Just gimme a list of ones I guess.

Not that I ever made more than 2 full length tracks

EDIT: just realised rabid uploaded them all again. nvm I guess lol. You work fast.
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Post by Apple on Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:13 am

Hehe! That's impressive Rabid. Hello Votale! That's actually quite a good reason for making tracks vanish. I always assume the worst in scenarios like this. Glad to see it wasn't youtube doing anything with them.
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Post by [senpai] kevans on Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:56 am

I feel I should explain on a more factual level as why I don't approve of others peoples tracks being uploaded to youtube, so I'm going to put aside the moral stuff behind it like artists rights and feelings, blah blah blah.

What this this comes down to is that youtube is a piece of shit that doesn't understand how fair use, copy right, or anything regarding people using their website unless it makes them more money. Re-uploading someone else's videos throws a wrench into their search algorithms and can actually harm the original artist.

Let's assume that "Bob" lost his tracks and it was a miracle they were saved. We reupload them to where ever and he's cool with that. Cool, we can enjoy those tracks again. But bob isn't happy with where they were uploaded to, he wants them on his own channel, so he uploads them there too. This is where things get icky.

Okay so already, Bob is losing viewer attention on his channel now that his tracks are no longer there, that's a given, you can't help this. But now that his videos are on a more popular channel, those are the ones that are more likely to show up in a search result because they are on a more popular youtube channel. Youtube's search algorithm favors channels that are more likely to retain attention, meaning a channel with more subscribers is more likely to come up in the results, ergo earn them more ad revenue, even if the videos aren't Monetized. Even worse, due to copy right of the songs we use, ads will get placed on them, and those are more likely to be shown instead of the original works because they have ads on them. Don't believe me? Go on youtube and explain to me why searching "line rider", the top result has about twice as many views as the original one uploaded by Tech Dawg. It doesn't credit TD, it doesn't say the name in the description, it's less quality than the original, but because it has the views, that's the one that shows up.

I can go on into the copy right and content ID side of all this, but that's more of a hypothetical. My main point is that this does hurt the original creators when we reupload their videos somewhere else. It detracts their viewing potential and throws a wrench into the algorithms to make sure you find the tracks that you want to see. This is why react channels are considered the scum of youtube, as it really does screw over who the original artists are. So please, please ask for permission to re-upload these tracks to youtube if at all possible. Archiving them on a site like dropbox or mega is fine as it doesn't affect our ability to find the track creator, but putting them on youtube does.

TL;DR: This fucks with youtube and fucks over the original artist, read the damn post.


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Re: Votale's vids

Post by rabid squirrel on Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:15 pm

@Votale wrote:I made them private. Oops. If there are specific ones you guys would like me to make public again, I can. Channel just felt cluttered with "shorts" lol and I planned to use the channel for other things than LR, but don't need to. Just gimme a list of ones I guess.

Not that I ever made more than 2 full length tracks

EDIT: just realised rabid uploaded them all again. nvm I guess lol. You work fast.
I will happily take them down if you'd rather host them, it's totally up to you and all the same to me (as long as people can still find them on YouTube one way or another), just LMK.

EDIT: I took HP's stuff back off IRTLTube down when he made a new channel for LR stuff and uploaded the videos there, that's cool with me too ofc

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Re: Votale's vids

Post by rabid squirrel on Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:36 am

Update: Dank Nasty, Sublime, Reclaim, and Roborant were made public again, the originals were added to the playlist and the reuploads have been taken off the channel

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