Top 3 Favorite Riders and Why?

Votale wrote:Ever heard of Cheat Engine, Wizzy? Tons of people use it.

Also, I stated that Raf was extremely underrated, while Kram was highly overrated, which is completely true. Raf's highspeed is better then any other. It's funny that Raf beat IRIS and Eclipse with Sonic Motion alone yet we praise and give Kram way more popularity and we totally leave Raf out.

And no Wizzy, I'm not talking about "highspeed" as 30, I'm talking 90 or 100 where Raf and Kram operate. Raf's manuals and integration is sick at that speed while we see one of Kram's flings at that speed and pee our pants when it's SO easy. The faster Bosh goes, the easier it is to make g-wells and flings because he survives more, but manuals are totally different. To have the pressure and flow that Raf has at those highspeeds in his manuals is just insane and TOTALLY UNDERRATED.

I hate how you say that as if EVERYBODY thinks that.

Kram and Raf are both extremely good trackmakers who have their own strengths/weaknesses.

A majority of people on this forum overrate Kram while they underrate Kram. I hate how you doubt it's true.

The second line just has nothing to do with my point

Votale wrote:Ever heard of Cheat Engine, Wizzy? Tons of people use it.

Also, I stated that Raf was extremely underrated, while Kram was highly overrated, which is completely true. Raf's highspeed is better then any other. It's funny that Raf beat IRIS and Eclipse with Sonic Motion alone yet we praise and give Kram way more popularity and we totally leave Raf out.

And no Wizzy, I'm not talking about "highspeed" as 30, I'm talking 90 or 100 where Raf and Kram operate. Raf's manuals and integration is sick at that speed while we see one of Kram's flings at that speed and pee our pants when it's SO easy. The faster Bosh goes, the easier it is to make g-wells and flings because he survives more, but manuals are totally different. To have the pressure and flow that Raf has at those highspeeds in his manuals is just insane and TOTALLY UNDERRATED.

Yes I am well aware (as I'm sure the whole freaking community) what cheat engine is, and if you use it to make tracks (though I only ever used it for recording), then you should be shunned. It's just like using circle maker, it was highly frowned upon.

I know what highspeed is, you don't have to give numbers. I completely disagree with the part that the faster he goes the easier the quirks get. That is so [censored]! manuals depend on only one thing and that's pressure. That's it. Sure you have to mess around with blue and red lines to get rotation correct but I seriously doubt quirks are easier. Having made both types of tracks myself.

I'm just starting to think you hate Kram because you're jealous of him. He rightfully deserves his place as the respected quirk guy.

TOTALLY NOT UNDERRATED.
Now Kramwood for legend.

hmm i just realised i forgot to state the reasons.

Zeno, because i like his style and choice of music.

wizzy, his scenery is one of my favorites, and he usually picks good music to go with the track without resorting to overused techno rubbish.

commanderslug, one track wonder i know, but i loved his scenery.

btw guys, lets stop getting offtopic with quirck vs manual, make a new thread for it.

Wizzy wrote:Yes I am well aware (as I'm sure the whole freaking community) what cheat engine is, and if you use it to make tracks (though I only ever used it for recording), then you should be shunned. It's just like using circle maker, it was highly frowned upon.

I know what highspeed is, you don't have to give numbers. I completely disagree with the part that the faster he goes the easier the quirks get. That is so [censored]! manuals depend on only one thing and that's pressure. That's it. Sure you have to mess around with blue and red lines to get rotation correct but I seriously doubt quirks are easier. Having made both types of tracks myself.

I'm just starting to think you hate Kram because you're jealous of him. He rightfully deserves his place as the respected quirk guy.

TOTALLY NOT UNDERRATED.
Now Kramwood for legend.

I 'd at this whole post.

I know many that use Cheat Engine though I won't say names because you'll be like " ohmaigawdD: " but I wouldn't be surprised if Kram did himself lol. haha this whole "Manuals are way easier then quirk" coming from the guy who once ranted with a new thread everyday on how much he hates quirk I've tried quirk and manuals at highspeed, and I'm not an idiot when it comes to manuals. I thoroughly enjoy making them at both high and low speeds, same with quirk. Quirk is 1000x easier then manuals at such speeds like 90.

Why would I be jealous? I could easily make a track like that if I had the time/motivation, but I don't enjoy making tracks of a style I hate, so no thanks.

Why do you nominate him for legend, exactly? Since Raf destroyed both of Kram's "best" tracks with one of his, Raf for legend

Votale wrote:

Wizzy wrote:Yes I am well aware (as I'm sure the whole freaking community) what cheat engine is, and if you use it to make tracks (though I only ever used it for recording), then you should be shunned. It's just like using circle maker, it was highly frowned upon.

I know what highspeed is, you don't have to give numbers. I completely disagree with the part that the faster he goes the easier the quirks get. That is so [censored]! manuals depend on only one thing and that's pressure. That's it. Sure you have to mess around with blue and red lines to get rotation correct but I seriously doubt quirks are easier. Having made both types of tracks myself.

I'm just starting to think you hate Kram because you're jealous of him. He rightfully deserves his place as the respected quirk guy.

TOTALLY NOT UNDERRATED.
Now Kramwood for legend.

I 'd at this whole post.

I know many that use Cheat Engine though I won't say names because you'll be like " ohmaigawdD: " but I wouldn't be surprised if Kram did himself lol. haha this whole "Manuals are way easier then quirk" coming from the guy who once ranted with a new thread everyday on how much he hates quirk I've tried quirk and manuals at highspeed, and I'm not an idiot when it comes to manuals. I thoroughly enjoy making them at both high and low speeds, same with quirk. Quirk is 1000x easier then manuals at such speeds like 90.

That's a nice blast from the past, how long ago was this? 3 years? The only reason I ranted was because I couldn't do anything the other guys were doing, so I said screw it. It was way too hard for me though I admired the crazy things other people could do, the main person being ZNF.

No it would be more like "wtf does everyone use this? why didn't i get the memo "

Why would I be jealous? I could easily make a track like that if I had the time/motivation, but I don't enjoy making tracks of a style I hate, so no thanks.

You just always act like you're jealous. Always trying to put him down lower but the truth is he is just as good as the other people that are/were once legends themselves.

Why do you nominate him for legend, exactly? Since Raf destroyed both of Kram's "best" tracks with one of his, Raf for legend

I've answered this question already in an earlier post. Did you forget already?

And I like how you turned this opinion based argument into an "well look who's talking" argument.

1.Pure-He is simply awesome.About 1/2 of my inspiration goes from him.He inspired me to do flings,alt and alot of manual stuff.His tracks are some of my favorites.I always enjoy his tracks.He is great.

2.OTDE-OTDE Has great tracks,great inspiration for manuals AND flings.His manuals are smooth.Tracks are just,very,very enjoyable.

3.Opal Rider-I know I can thank Opal for everything he has done.He has taught me the rules of elr and again i enjoy his tracks.Opal has made a big part in my linerider career.

These are some more people I can thank for inspiration:
~Votale
~Raf
~Kw
~Sheldon
-Those are all ^ my main ones.There is many more I can thank.

Asking Votale's permission to barge into this argument and cause a riot by bringing up a opinion that's different from both of yours.

i'd also like to add Inu to my list. he's a great leader and led rain of life really well

>.> Can we get off of the Raf v Kram ragefest? Votale, we all know you like Raf in the pants more than Kram, but not everyone is like you. You're... special.
Substitute appropriate proper nouns to say the same thing to Wizzy.

On-Topic:
1. Georgioc
2. Devray
3. Hkay

I like what I can't do, which is manuals, so those three make my life. :]

Georg: The creativity you put into your tracks, is just incredible....

Pure: You turn the simplest boring things into the most complex awesomest things - in ways that make it seam too easy

Coke: Although it takes you forever to do things, you always amaze me with everything you do <3

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Since when was Raf underrated? I always though raf was a very respected skilled track maker....

Votale wrote:I've tried quirk and manuals at highspeed, and I'm not an idiot when it comes to manuals. I thoroughly enjoy making them at both high and low speeds, same with quirk. Quirk is 1000x easier then manuals at such speeds like 90.

I find high speed track making extremely challenging period.

Teach. Me.

1. CC- he's the only truly incredible scener left in LR that is still active, plus his style is so clean, it makes me want to kill myself.

2. angryfishmonger- his style should have been the messiest stuff ever on paper, but he pulled it off so cleanly that it made me want to kill myself.

3. mephisto- tropicave was the track that got me into line rider, and I have been trying to copy it from day one. I haven't succeeded yet, but maybe someday

namtlade: Trance still trances me

ZNF: This nerdy derdy is the reason I discovered the site

AC: This guy got his own style, and it was good. The only one who I remember as being truly unique, I hope he still uses the ol' style.

Chui Ninji, I love you <3
Seriously though guys. If you wanna talk about Raf being underrated and Kram being overrated, make another topic for it or something. I don't see anything good coming out of that though, but yeah.
On the topic, I have to say that Kram did actually invent some tricks and just made a lot of cool tracks. Don't be dissin the man so hard. And Raf is maybe underappriciated by a lot of people, but still I don't see the reason why it has to be Raf vs Kram? So maybe try and focus on the positive here Votale and make a thread about Raf being underrated. Highlight some of the moments you love about raf's tracks and what/not in some thread and try to make people feel the same way you do about his tracks. Getting people to hate someone's tracks or think less of them, won't work. I'm just sayin'.

Anyway,

anomaly has to be in my list. I don't care if he's not active anymore. Back in the day we were competing a lot and we both made tracks like crazy. It was hella fun and I always admired his style and vica versa. We couldn't do replicate eachother, but we stille found inspiration in eachothers tracks. 't was awesome.

Before that there was Owly, what an awesome guy. Did a collab with him once and even though he didn't make a lot of tracks. He was the first to make a track about blue manuals. Apparantly people thought that was amazing and I was like "wait what, I've been doing that the whole time, look:" And then I got a buttload of fans and stuff He did some cool stuff after that too and kept inspiring me untill he suddenly vanished =(

Oh and damn, my favourite track maker of probably all time which hasn't been mentioned once in this thread! (SHAME ON YOU GUYS that knew him);
Abysmalpea. THIS GUY, this guy! Just, just, just watch this track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe7tRvxgQnQ&feature=related

And well, while you're at it, just watch this one too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0JVhMFdseQ

For newer more active trackmakers, it's gotta be Pure, Splash and Georgio jc. Georgio is my favourite now, he keeps his tracks fresh and fun with really nice little touches that everytime suprise me. Good thing about his tracks is that you can actual follow everything but it's not slow or anything.
Pure is just amazing at quark/quirk and whatever it is he does. I'd just call the style partying or something. Because that's basically what bosh is doing, partying, dancing (and maybe sometimes tripping, haha).
and Splash is just crazy good at controlling EVERYTHING. Just everything. It's so fast, it's so crazy, it's like a bounyball on crack.

edit:
Btw, Loz, I didn't know that. Cool

Z_N-Freak wrote:For newer more active trackmakers, it's gotta be Pure, Splash and Georgio jc.

Great minds think alike! lol

also, thanks to people who mentioned me, I'm kind of shocked and honored O.o

Kramwood is amazingly good who cares if he is over rated

I never "act" like I'm jealous at all. I just state the truth that Raf is underrated while Kram is overrated. It's the total truth.

And Kram, the reason Raf gets way more views then you is because he posts his tracks on LineRider.com! It gets you at least 7k views if you stay on top of their video list for a week. Views don't determine your rating because most of them are just from LR.com for Raf.

And ZNF, the reason I use Kram as a reason, is because when everyone watched IRIS and Eclipse they were like "OMG KRAM FOR LEGEND!!!" and shiz like that. It's funny that they voted Sonic Motion over both those tracks yet Raf gets no legend nominations or anything like Kram does. I'm suck of people peeing themselves after watching Kram's tracks and underrating Raf's. It's sickening. Bottom line is, Raf is way too underrated and he's amazing.

If you'd like me to highlight Raf's skills, then here:

- He's a music syncing GOD. He music syncs like you wouldn't believe and it adds so much to the track experience, yet 99% of people on this forum can't even see it because all they think is "herp derp where are the uber fast ASDFs?!"
- He can do just as many tricks as Kram. He can do ASDF's then he wants and all that crap WHILE being the best highspeed manual-er of today.
- Who cares if he doesn't do foot-behind-head flings or didn't invent kramuals? Those tricks are honestly kinda dumb... lol cause no one even tries to recreate a foot-behind-head fling, and IMOIMOIMO kramuals kill flow 99% of the time unless used well.

So Raf deserves way more respect from you guy then he's getting. If anyone, Raf for legend

I hope you all realize you're getting worked all worked up over Line Rider.

Rafael and Kramwood are both good, that's why they're LCC. In my opinion making either of them LRL would be too hasty.

Kramwood wrote:

Votale wrote:Ever heard of Cheat Engine, Wizzy? Tons of people use it.

Also, I stated that Raf was extremely underrated, while Kram was highly overrated, which is completely true. Raf's highspeed is better then any other. It's funny that Raf beat IRIS and Eclipse with Sonic Motion alone yet we praise and give Kram way more popularity and we totally leave Raf out.

And no Wizzy, I'm not talking about "highspeed" as 30, I'm talking 90 or 100 where Raf and Kram operate. Raf's manuals and integration is sick at that speed while we see one of Kram's flings at that speed and pee our pants when it's SO easy. The faster Bosh goes, the easier it is to make g-wells and flings because he survives more, but manuals are totally different. To have the pressure and flow that Raf has at those highspeeds in his manuals is just insane and TOTALLY UNDERRATED.

how can you say raf is underated when he clearly has 10's of thousands of views?

You are basing being underrated and overrated off of views on youtube, which in all honesty mean nothing. There are plenty of good tracks with low amounts of views, and there are plenty of just absolutely awful tracks with TONS of views. Votale on the other hand, is basing it off of how popular your tracks are in the community here. And I agree with him in almost every aspect, because people do look at almost every single one of your tracks and instantly think it is just spot on amazing. Where as I look at them and see almost the exact same track I saw before, but with the tricks in a different order.

Votale wrote:If anyone, Raf for legend

*cough* what about splash, he's one of your top three.

I don't think either of them are underrated or overrated. They're both highspeed, and yet they have different styles. Different people like one over the other, including you.

But what I DON'T LIKE seeing is when people like you, Votale and Wizzy, decide that their opinion is somehow right and that whoever disagrees with them is somehow wrong, and then implying that the opposition is stupid in obnoxiously callous arguments.

Chill out. Learn to understand the other perspective and explain your view, rather than detailing why they're wrong and trying to prove your point by whatever ruthless means necessary. It's more persuasive that way anyway.

Wow, this has gotten out of hand...

First of all, thanks for the words Votale and Georgio. Means a lot.
Secondly, I respect your opinion, [insert names of people that like Kramwood better]. But, having experienced so much in highspeed myself, I just want to say that it isn't an opinion, but a fact that gravity wells become easier in highspeed and manuals become harder. I'll try to explain:
Most people choose to make lowspeed tracks because you don't have to control everything. You often have those lucky gwells and moves because Bosh can use one line multiple frames in a row. With highspeed however, you have to locate Bosh every frame. You are much less likely to get lucky nice wells because a line you draw will only affect Bosh in one frame. This means you've got much more control over Bosh, but also that making tracks take so much longer. For me however, and I think KW too, that control is really useful to create those fancy tricks, such as ASDF's, grolls, etc.
However, manuals get much harder because they are much more notable. You can see flaws in them much easier (or at least that counts for me), and they are harder to control. Bosh becomes MUCH less flexible while on a line than when you're going at a low speed. Look at it yourself. If you draw a line that differs from the way the curve should go in low speed, Bosh will probably change rotation or something like that. On highspeed, I can assure you that Bosh will die. This is also why I still consider Heart Attack my highspeed masterpiece and not Sonic Motion, and why Heart Attack took 7 months and Sonic Motion only two.
For the rest, think of this whatever you want. I don't expect you to change your opinion.

After reading all of these comments, Sonic Motion's intro now makes sense. lol

um wow. how can you even compare 2 people who are on top of their game for 2 completely different styles? Either way, Chuck Norris will pwn.

I never thought about using cheat engine to assist in making tracks. meh, I do just fine without it and I like having my track play back at normal speed and turning c.e. off and on constantly so I can watch it in normal speed seems like too much of a hassle.

as for my 3 top active riders (no order)

1: Georgio
2: spl4shzon3
3: rafael

the fact that Votale even mentioned Cheat Engine suggests that he uses the cheating tool himself. No wonder his tracks seem so clean and his wells seemed so powerful.

stop saying everyone uses cheat engine, because they don't.

Thanks to everyone who slapped me in their top riders lists. Means a lot guys :3

I'll refrain from listing my favorite riders. It's hard to pick 3 when there's just so many good riders out there--my favorites for various styles

Since the top 3 active riders are kind of obvious, then I will list the 3 most under-rated riders of all time (in no particular order):

JZorr
DarkElement
kcbm225

That is all.