New WRTL Site Offer

by rabid squirrel Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:22 pm

rabid squirrel wrote:
Mr.X wrote:Sorry about my sketchy name. This is an old account. I just created account named NR11, but I didn't feel like waiting for you to activate it.

I have zero posts, I know. I used to run a different Line Rider website and I used to a big Line Rider player myself... those days are gone though. The website has since died. This seems like the only Line Rider community out there, and this too seems like it's dying. I have some great memories with Line Rider, and I don't want to community to die. One of the big reasons that the community is getting smaller because is honestly, this site is horrible. Forumotion is horrible....

I have an IPB account with IPB software that is currently not being used which will only cost $25 for me to renew. It has IP Board, IP Gallery, IP Blog and IP Downloads. My original dream is that Line Rider players would be able to play any version of LR on the site. They would also be able to download any version, and upload all of their videos to the Gallery to be rated/commented on. Sadly, this dream never went through...

You have a fairly active site that is on Forumotion. I was wondering if I could use my IP Board and make a new website for IRtL. I will pay for the forum software, hosting, and domain name (IRtL.com is taken, it would probably be iridethelines.net). On the new IRtL, noobs could play right there on the site, and it could even become to main LR website since LR.com is down. And instead of YouTube, or in addition to YT, LR videos could be uploaded directly to the site. It would be like a Line Rider social network.

I believe it's a great idea that could rejuvenate the dying LR community. I tried this before, but the problem was that I didn't have a solid community draw from. Here you guys have a solid community. This was my old site http://lineridercrazy.forumotion.net/forum - as you can see even in its heyday two years ago it was still not as active as this place is now.

As for post count, database, etc. I'll look into it. I know post count can be easily changed, but the Forumotion database will be harder. I know this is the first time I have talked to you so it's reasonable for you to be skeptical of this offer. Please consider it though - I would have great joy in building the site!

One more thing -- obviously staff positions will carry over. I will simply be in charge of the database.

Waiting for your quick reply,
Tom
Hi Tom, thanks for your offer! I have heard about LRC before (I think I visited once but never made an account) but it has been mentioned by members here from time to time. (Looking at the site - are you IDrawTheLines? If so I totally remember you as an elite on the old IRTL. Anyway I recognize a number of the top posters.)

We've made stuff that typically would be staff-only discussions almost entirely transparent in recent months due to lower activity rates, so I hope you don't mind if I post this publicly. If you would like me to remove any part of your message from the public post please let me know.

Out current domain is weridethelines.com, and that domain has been spread all over in links. I own that domain but it is currently merely a redirect to this site. I tried to look into getting the site urls to all be weridethelines.com based but couldn't figure out if I had to pay for it or not and couldn't get it to work.

This forum was originally a forum I created in about 5 days because the old IRTL went down when we exceeded the database storage max and TechDawg wasn't around to fix it. It is pretty terrible and there are many things that annoy me and so many things I wish I could do but it worked in keeping the community together. I tried a couple times to create a forum from scratch and it failed pretty quickly. I don't know how to make a website from scratch and couldn't find an easy way to learn how and didn't want to throw money into a project that wouldn't work out. Despite this, a new/better site is a request I have gotten over and over from members and I remain open to it.

I have a good feeling about this offer because you have already run a fairly successful Line Rider community. I have had some offers before but I feel like this one might actually pan out because of that. I would like to talk about the various features we have on this site that I would need to carry over, some features we used to have but scrapped more recently, and my dream website with features which I don't know how possible they are. Your ideas of video uploading directly to the site and playing line rider directly on the site are great ideas but they are the tip of the iceberg of what I can dream up Also, I want to point out that forumotion is in fact run on phpBB, so it doesn't go without saying that we could make it better than this site, and it would require a lot of additions.

It is impossible to transfer the forumotion database because forumotion wants us to stay here, which is another reason we have stayed here. We would need some kind of crawler to go through each profile and post and figure out how to transfer that to the data. I do have some programming background (for example, the chatbox on the right scrolling with the site was implemented in JS by me) so, while I don't know how to build stuff like this from scratch, I am more than happy to help. I am hesitant to move without transferring the profile and post data from this site. We did that once, against our will, and I am still to this day lamenting the thousands and thousands of threads and posts that were lost forever. There were more posts on that site in three years than this site will probably ever have and it changed our community drastically to not have that history anymore.

Activity on this site, in the last year or so, has dwindled significantly. It is tough to say whether this is primarily because of forumotion or because of lack of interest. I was talking to another staff member recently and lamenting that this game has still not attracted very many actual artists - the community consists mainly of (to put it bluntly) the lowlife reddit/4chan teenage gaming crowd who stumbled on this and realized it was actually pretty cool. I really think that alternative-medium new media artists, motion graphics animators, cinematographer-sketchers, etc have a significant number of people who would be extremely interested in this game and what some of us have created in it, but I do not know how to market to that. I think it is pretty clear however, that the current Line Rider crowd sees this art medium as a flash game fad that died years ago that you play when you're bored - and if I focus on getting more of those people to play the game it's not going to work. Sorry I'm rambling a bit but I want to hear your thoughts on this stuff because it's going to be important if we are to rebuild this community and game network.

In any case, activity is terribly low right now and so I want to make sure that a move to a new site is as smooth as possible so we don't kill everything that is left (think what UnBound did to the Line Rider community) so I want to discuss as much as possible before implementation, and set up as much as possible before actually moving. You say this site is active, but in reality we are basically dead. Are getting about 5-10 posts per day if you don't count my posts (which double that figure)

I have thrown a lot of stuff at you but I do hope this works out. Please respond in the thread and thanks again!

by **Conundrumer** Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:27 pm

Oh boy, IPB. It's 2014. How about something better?

by [senpai] kevans Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:59 pm

Conundrumer wrote:Oh boy, IPB. It's 2014. How about something better?

This.

Also, I am really against moving to a new place right now. A lot of complaints I see towards phpBB forums isn't how outdated they are, it's how outdated they look. phpBB is a decent enough forum, we just need someone who can take advantage of the inner workings. I know for a fact that inside the admin panel is a way to design custom pages and custom scripting and stuff, so a visual overhaul is really all this place needs.

Also I really don't want to pin the blame on the forum, I've got a much more solid theory, but I'll keep that to myself right now.

There's also the issues with hosting our videos. While there's no issue in attention towards watching them, one could simply upload a copy to youtube and redirect here, the issue being that it means we are a single entity, IE we can get into legal issues if someone is actually dumb and greedy enough to say that we're not allowed to do what we're doing. Granted, what we do falls under the fair use clause, but only so barely, and actually arguing it is pretty damn difficult. Try convincing someone that what we do is "artistic re-interpretation" without them already having an understanding of how the internet works.

Moving to a new site would be tedious as well. This site only made it due to an act of emergency, and that TechDawg never came back to recapitalize the original domain, making this place THE official LR place, and it has been for a long time despite there being lr.com. Constantly remaking a site and calling it the definitive place would really deal a few blows to the community as a whole. It's the same sort of behavior and thinking that put Sega out of the console wars, with them constantly putting out consoles faster than developers could handle, making it a poor market to invest in.

2 cents

by Fauxfyre Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:44 pm

I surprisingly agree with everything Kevans says, and am 100% against whatever this guy is offering us. I spoke with him and Kevans in chat earlier today and am not convinced in the least to attempt to move our userbase (notice the word "attempt"). On top of that, I sincerely and completely doubt that anything will help get this place back on its feet. I have my up-days and down-days, but overall I am very pessimistic about the future of LR. Here's a summary of my feelings in a conversation I've been having with Rabid:

Shotoku wrote:I've thought about it, and here's what I think I feel deep down:

I want activity to be up.
I want to try to make this the best place it can be.
No matter what anybody does, the forum is never going to be back to what it was, even as relatively low as it was in 2013.
I seriously want to move on because I feel all my efforts are unfounded, and think my own hopes that things can be back to normal are a fool's hope.
As much as I know deep down I want to help here, I know it's near the bottom of my priorities because it's one of the least fun and productive things I can be doing.
Most other people share my feelings, and that's the reason posts counts are in the toilet. Nobody feels like doing anything here is worth the effort.

That's what my heart is telling me.

That's my nice way of replying to your inquiry. Don't make me say the rude way

by Mr.X Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:59 pm

Hello all-
I will try to write a reply synthesizing everything above.

In the past, there used to be many Line Rider sites: The big ones which consisted of IRTL, LineRider.org, LineRider.com, and to an extent ELR; and the smaller ones such as Line Rider Crazy, LineRiderBosh.tk, the foreign sites, and even a LineRider.net if I remember correctly. Over time, all of the these sites died, except IRTL which barely lives on today. The reasons for this may be complex, but it is probably a combination of the poor administration of these sites (TechDawg) and a declining interest in Line Rider as a whole due to inXile's stupidity. LineRider.com in the old days (talking pre-2009) was probably the biggest Line Rider website in terms of sheer traffic, and I know for at least some of us older guys it was how we got into Line Rider in the first place. Yes, .com was populated by mostly noobs, but it did a great good to the Line Rider community as a whole by keeping the game popular with 12 year olds. As a result, sites such as .org and IRTL indirectly benefited from the popularity of the game because there was a constant influx of new members to these sites who yearned for greater things than flatsledding. When LineRider.com started going really downhill as a result of inXile's abuse and ineptitude (Silverlight, the new theme) less noobs were playing the game, and as result less LR legends were born. Now that LR.com is completely down, there is almost zero interest among kids 13 and younger. And even if there is, there is no way to cultivate the talents of these people. As Rabid Squirrel said above, Line Rider has morphed into a game for "the lowlife reddit/4chan teenage gaming crowd." The original generation of LR players gets smaller and smaller everyday as people move on with their lives. Talent is decreasing at a drastic rate, all because there is no new generation to fill their spots.

http://www.linerider1.net/

This is an example of the average Line Rider site on the web today. Just a flash widget, that's it. Any 12 year old who stumbles onto this site to play will leave and never think about it again. Then they will discover Minecraft and become addicted to that, because it is also a highly creative game that takes less skill and finesse than Line Rider. And as Rabid said, it's also important not only to get younger players, but older ones, artists who could use Line Rider as a creative outlet. The goal of the new IRTL would be to try to draw both these groups of people, while also not alienating the current community here on WRTL. Kevan's idea to put Line Rider on Steam is a perfect way to promote Line Rider to both these groups of people.

If any of this were to happen, WRTL would have to move to a new forum software and paid host. Forumotion, although it is phpBB, simply does not have the customization options available to make it a viable home-base for the Line Rider community. IPB 4.0 is currently in beta and is coming out soon, and I would say it looks decently contemporary. The benefit with IPB again is that it's only $25 (it usually costs $200) which I would gladly pay for. Anything else and you guys would be more on your own, although I would pitch in some.

I can understand why you guys are apathetic and hesitant to move. Line Rider is indeed dying, and this site will completely die if it stays on its current path just like all others have done. As I said before, the key is a getting a new, fresh batch of Line Rider players. It would be a lot of work planning the site and trying to move everything over, but the benefits could be enormous - making Line Rider popular again.

I hope this is enough tonight, as I have to get off.

by [senpai] kevans Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:15 am

Mr.X wrote:If any of this were to happen, WRTL would have to move to a new forum software and paid host. Forumotion, although it is phpBB, simply does not have the customization options available to make it a viable home-base for the Line Rider community.

What customization options do we need? Seriously. Dig deep and give us a good reason why we need better things. It can't be for the ability to play every version of line rider on the website. It's been proven time and time again that the standalone versions run faster than the web browsers, and have the easiest localhost to access. I've even compiled a complete list of every build I could get my hands on and provided a dropbox link that will stay available forever. Simply putting LR on steam does not mean we have to upgrade anything on our end. Most we need to fix would be some organization issues and rename a few sub sections. We already have a competent staff who would be willing to learn the tools laid out before them, people who are more than qualified to fill in those positions if they drop out, clear and coherent forums and categories, simplistic and easy to understand navigation, knowledgeable people, and plenty of topics people can fall onto for reference. We're (I'm) not apathetic about the move, it's that we don't need it.

And your comparison to minecraft is really bad. LR and MC fall within the same realm of creativity, where the people who do the impressive things in either game have a high sense of artistic creativity, and have taken the time to understand the more complicated rules. The surface of both games are easy to understand, but we know that the deeper you dive, the more complex the thinking gets, and the more creative people become. It's not a matter of how easy the game is, it's a matter of which is more appealing to themselves, and what their peers think of it as well.

by rabid squirrel Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:20 am

[senpai] kevans wrote:A lot of complaints I see towards phpBB forums isn't how outdated they are, it's how outdated they look. phpBB is a decent enough forum, we just need someone who can take advantage of the inner workings. I know for a fact that inside the admin panel is a way to design custom pages and custom scripting and stuff, so a visual overhaul is really all this place needs.

There really, really, really, really isn't any customization you can do with forumotion that we haven't already tried. You have to believe me on this. So this is actually a strong argument for getting a new phpBB site instead of staying with this site.

[senpai] kevans wrote:Constantly remaking a site and calling it the definitive place would really deal a few blows to the community as a whole.

This is why I would want to make sure
1) domain remains the same (weridethelines.com)
2) profile data and post data carries over (can't access forumotion database so would have to be programmed crawler. This is a tall order but it won't happen without it)
which I detailed in my original response. If we can find out a way to do that, why not?

Shotoku wrote:I sincerely and completely doubt that anything will help get this place back on its feet. I have my up-days and down-days, but overall I am very pessimistic about the future of LR. Here's a summary of my feelings in a conversation I've been having with Rabid:
[snip]
That's my nice way of replying to your inquiry. Don't make me say the rude way

Okay this is where I get angry and stop being nice. I do not care that you are pessimistic and will not care no matter how many times you say it. I am tired of hearing you say that the site is dying and there's nothing we can do. It is not helpful or constructive in the least. If this is all you can add to the conversation, please refrain from posting and go away. Thank you.

[senpai] kevans wrote:We're (I'm) not apathetic about the move, it's that we don't need it.

On the other hand, this is also totally the wrong response. We do need to try to do something because this community is on its last legs and in danger of disappearing completely. I think "we don't need your help" is a far too arrogant response.

Mr.X wrote:http://www.linerider1.net/

This is an example of the average Line Rider site on the web today. Just a flash widget, that's it. Any 12 year old who stumbles onto this site to play will leave and never think about it again. Then they will discover Minecraft and become addicted to that, because it is also a highly creative game that takes less skill and finesse than Line Rider. And as Rabid said, it's also important not only to get younger players, but older ones, artists who could use Line Rider as a creative outlet. The goal of the new IRTL would be to try to draw both these groups of people, while also not alienating the current community here on WRTL. Kevan's idea to put Line Rider on Steam is a perfect way to promote Line Rider to both these groups of people.

If any of this were to happen, WRTL would have to move to a new forum software and paid host. Forumotion, although it is phpBB, simply does not have the customization options available to make it a viable home-base for the Line Rider community. IPB 4.0 is currently in beta and is coming out soon, and I would say it looks decently contemporary. The benefit with IPB again is that it's only $25 (it usually costs $200) which I would gladly pay for. Anything else and you guys would be more on your own, although I would pitch in some.

I can understand why you guys are apathetic and hesitant to move. Line Rider is indeed dying, and this site will completely die if it stays on its current path just like all others have done. As I said before, the key is a getting a new, fresh batch of Line Rider players. It would be a lot of work planning the site and trying to move everything over, but the benefits could be enormous - making Line Rider popular again.

I think this is actually quite a strong argument.

The average person looking for line rider on the internet won't find us, they will find a flash widget embed and not realize the amazing art we are creating over here. Side note: I also think the way people watch youtube videos has changed. Youtube is no longer the cool-random-stuff-on-the-internet place, it is basically crowdsourced TV, and the people who originally discovered line rider just don't go looking for things like line rider anymore when they're bored - they watch let's plays or youtube stars news channels.

If we integrated directly into weridethelines.com domain instead of forumotion we could get into the highest results of google (right now we show up at the top under "line rider forum" but if you areach "line rider" we aren't until page 2. I think letting people play the game online (the most recent version so in this case v3.4.x, but with more help for people unfamiliar with features) is a great way to attract people's attention, and of course they can download the game to play it faster and we can show them that right away. We would also want to show them the crazy stuff that's been made with this game of all varieties and show them the community collaboration stuff so they feel like they are welcome to get involved. (I think a huge reason IRTL became the biggest LR website in 2008 was that TD made a big fat "introduce yourself" section right at the top)

However, Conundrumer has a huge point and that is that there are inherent problems with BB forum software on terms of getting creative projects and discussion happening. Just to name a new: Controversial topics with arguments draw more attention than anything else, people only have post-typing as a means to respond to a track release, quote pyramids because there is only one method of reply... only one general unconnected chat room with lots of issues and no way to have smaller chat rooms e.g. for a collab or clan... no good way we've found to determine someone's reputation by their profile next to their post other than straight up ranks... I could go on and on.

Essentially, I don't want to count this out immediately like you guys seem to want to, because I do think it might help. But only if we meet the necessary condition of keeping all of our data on this forum, which may prove to be prohibitively difficult due to forumotion restrictions on database access (still wish I knew how to create a forum from scratch back when I made this site instead of using forumotion but it's way too late for that now). I'm not willing to start from a totally blank forum again - that was a process I do not wish to repeat.

by rabid squirrel Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:35 am

OKAY so I just did a quick google search and found a forumotion phpBB crawler in no time at all:

https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=861505&sid=d76a881d3758254990b1d55c0f38eafd

we totally don't have to program it. one already exists.

with that in mind, I say why not try to build a better site, and then once it's created we can decide if we want to "migrate" there (same domain! same database post content! same user content! massive redirect to that site! far more customability and none of the infuriating forumotion bugs!) or stay here?

by [senpai] kevans Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:21 am

If you can make this transition completely seamless, no having to re-register, everyone keeps their posts and earnings, etc. etc., I do not mind. The basis for my argument was that we'd have to "redo" everything and try to convince everyone to migrate to the new domain. I still don't think we need anything more, but if you feel thah there's something you can take advantage of, I'm not going to argue.

by rabid squirrel Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:04 pm

[senpai] kevans wrote:If you can make this transition completely seamless, no having to re-register, everyone keeps their posts and earnings, etc. etc., I do not mind. The basis for my argument was that we'd have to "redo" everything and try to convince everyone to migrate to the new domain. I still don't think we need anything more, but if you feel thah there's something you can take advantage of, I'm not going to argue.

People would have to reset their passwords via their registration emails. (Or PM me on this site with a requested password if they don't have access to that email anymore) Everything else would transfer.

by **Rafael** Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:59 pm

I'm all for this. And that's coming from a conservative bastard

by ScrungleBlumpkus Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:16 pm

I'm all for change, so long as there's not a huge risk of a sacrifice which may not end up being worth the risk. If we're not going to lose what is left of this community or even put it at risk and gain from a change, by all means. But if there's a chance it could all end here if we make some "do or die" decision, I don't feel safe about it. Of course, I have no say or official part in this process. Just putting that out there.

by **Opal Rider** Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:08 pm

There are really only 4 possible outcomes to this move:

1: We lose members who don't feel like performing the simple task of resetting their password. I don't know why, but some people might get huffy.

2: We get a few new members. Great! More power to them.

3: We lose some we gain some. Not much changes overall, besides the identity of the people on the site.

4: We neither gain nor lose members. Nothing changes, we're still as small as ever, with the same people.

With that being said, only one out of the four would really be considered a bad thing. The rest are just sort of a compilation of meh that won't change much in the first place. So if we really want to move, then by all means, let's do it. How long will it take to plan the transfer?

by TheRevTastic Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:57 pm

I'm all for it, always have been and always will be.

If people don't like IPB I can always renew my XenForo license (www.xenforo.com). It doesn't come with it's own gallery or anything, there are third party ones that do cost etc etc.

I also have an IPB license that I can renew, and if you do decide to go with IPB from him I can always dip back into IPB styling as that's what I did before with paid and free styles and used to have some of the top used/downloaded styles/skins that IPB had that weren't truly expensive (that's not anymore, I stopped, people added features to skins/styles that I never did and learned a lot of new things that I can pick up on but we will mostly not likely need).

If you choose Xenforo I could also try styling that, I've done a few but they weren't that great as I haven't fully learned the styling system for XF yet but it is a great forum solution and I highly support them both, not one over the other they are both great to me. Also the two great developers that made vBulletin back in the good ol days before it turned to shit made XF and won their lawsuit over internetbrands (owners of vB now) for trying to leave and make their own forum solution.

I'm liking IPB 4.0 a little more now due to I've used them the most and it looks truly outstanding.

Also with that crawler all you'd have to do is use it, convert it to phpBB3 (installing phpbb3 then converting to it) then installing either XF or IPB and converting to that so it would take 2 converts but that's the only way to do it. And conversions are pretty simple, run a script that is made to do it (made by the forum solutions) and watch it and do what it prompts you to do.

by Mr.X Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:54 pm

If WRTL decided to move, then I would have to talk to Rabid/rest of the staff/you guys for probably at least a month just planning the new site. I know all of you see me as some weird guy who showed up one day to WRTL offering to move the site, which is okay I guess (because it's true). Wink

Hopefully I can change that eventually. Nonetheless, I would be more of a middleman, listening to Rabid's ideas, and while offering my opinions on them, not being overtly tyrannical in the process. While I myself am more of a computer hardware person, I know many coding wizards who would love to help code extra features of the site not included in the forum software. After planing the site, we would obviously have to to build it and transfer the current database via the crawler Rabid found. As TheRevTastic said, that would be a three step process as we would have to convert the phpBB 3 database that the crawler constructed to IPB which is actually fairly easy compared to converting the Forumotion site.

After polishing the build and transferring the database, I or any staff member could make a thread here detailing the improvements the new site has over the old site, and how the new site would revive the dying Line Rider community. After that, we would collectively affirm that we were moving and then begin moving process. This site would progressively shut down, while at the same time remaining online acting as a redirect to the new site.

After the site is up and running, at that time I would really focus on increasing traffic to the site. The goal would be for the whole internet to come to WRTL to play/download/discuss Line Rider. As long as we place an emphasis on community even on the Line Rider playing page (say, by having an IM embedded in the online LR client or something like that) then we're bound to get more community participation.

by rabid squirrel Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:45 pm

I agree with everything you say ^

next step is planning which I think Mr. X and I will do, but if anyone has questions about how it's going or wants an update, feel free to post in this thread and ask. I hope to be as transparent as possible with all of you throughout this process.

Once we get to the point where we are are actually starting to make the site, I would love if we could throw it up on a host but without a domain with registration/member login disabled so people could check it out.

I would love to hear your ideas on how to increase traffic. I just want to warn you though, it's going to be a pretty tall order to revive the community. Most of us here have basically given it up as you can see from the beginning of the thread. But I have lots of ideas I am not able to make happen and I'm sure you have ideas of your own and I think we can make some kind of difference, even if it just means keeping this site alive longer without increasing activity much - and in my book that would be a success Smile

And who knows, maybe we will actually get more new members! Only one way to find out.

by RyderLR Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:02 pm

I'm indifferent on it all, not to sound pessimistic, but I believe LineRider is simply too old to have a sudden burst or surge of activity, we've already lost so many members compared to IRtL member count, I think we're holding onto a lost hope. You Go-Getters can try to revive this game, and I would be ecstatic and love for it to happen, I for one just think it's not possible.

by rabid squirrel Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:28 pm

I'm a bit tired of these posts. I get it. Really. The site is hopeless, line rider is dead, yadda yadda yadda.

Of course I know we're not going to have some crazy revival back to hundreds of active members. I'm not an idiot. I'm just hoping that we can carry on - that enough new people will find us and join on a regular basis that I won't be left here all by myself with nobody to show the stuff I make. Do you really think that's impossible?

by Getthim Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:41 pm

no but you won't be lonely, you'll have me ;P

by ScrungleBlumpkus Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:01 pm

I hate people saying LR is old. I have friends in PERSON who still open it up, and it's a timeless type of game. All that it would really need is the right timing and random surge that comes from young people who saw a commercial.

by **Opal Rider** Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:39 pm

How many friends? O.o Invite them here.

by ScrungleBlumpkus Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:02 pm

^like 3. They're not hugely into it, but the game is still a part of their lives is my point

by rabid squirrel Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:14 am

...so if weridethelines.com was the #1 site for searching line rider on google.........

I think we might get a handful of members.

by Mr.X Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:12 pm

Definitely...

linerider1.net is ranked 258,055 in the US in terms of traffic.
WRTL is ranked 875,503
SparkWorkz is ranked 685,108

by ScrungleBlumpkus Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:46 pm

^I knew this was coming. The mention of SparkWorkz. Are you the Cap'n back at SparkWorkz? and that place is now dead due to a spamgasmic botoverload.

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Re: New WRTL Site Offer

Re: New WRTL Site Offer

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Re: New WRTL Site Offer

Re: New WRTL Site Offer

Re: New WRTL Site Offer

Re: New WRTL Site Offer

Re: New WRTL Site Offer

Re: New WRTL Site Offer