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Post by OTDE Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:13 pm

Hello, folks!

@Opal Rider, @Apple, and yours truly are happy to introduce a whole slew of new things, right on time for the holidays! I'm sure there are tons of questions, so I'll make sure to answer as many as I can! I'm gonna try and answer most of this in advance, so this list is pretty exhaustive.

New Sections:

On Features:

Pips:

Anyway, I'm spending the rest of today moving threads so this is resolved by Christmas.
Happy Holidays!
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Post by Sheldon Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:24 pm

I say keep featuring the way it is, although featuring is almost pointless given the small number of tracks released...
Also having 2 staff judges is not okay IMO given the very similar track opinions of the 3 current staff members. Keep it how it is let the people decide.

I do like the PIP changes however very nice.
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Post by Opal Rider Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:40 pm

I think me and OTDE used to have similar track styles, but that's changed over time. However, if people are unnerved with having too many staff people on the court I personally wouldn't be against bumping it down to one per cycle, since it wouldn't act as a sway in voting at all by that point.

The pointlessness of features was one of the biggest things brought up in the conversation we had as well, and if that were to change, my opinion sways to the "change it, or dont have it at all" side of the spectrum. I really don't like the term participation trophy, but it's the first thing that comes to mind.

Thank you for your feedback though, we'll be sure to take them into consideration soon (I'm not making conversation easy by being away from Skype right now, so we're working around that roadblock Smile )
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Post by Chuggers Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:07 pm

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Love the new sections, they really are better than what they were before

Me and otde were talking about the feature system before in pm, and now that I think about it, maybe instead of 2 staff and 3 others, maybe just choose the absolute best few for the job.
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Post by ScrungleBlumpkus Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:32 pm

I don't mind trusting the panel of judges so long as I detect no bias.
Also, just because there is no LCC doesn't mean there can't be again.
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Post by Opal Rider Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:45 pm

ScrungleBlumpkus wrote:I don't mind trusting the panel of judges so long as I detect no bias.
Also, just because there is no LCC doesn't mean there can't be again.

Yeahhhh, that's pretty much what it is, just rotating, and we don't want to pressure people into collabs. So it's feel weird to call it LCC when one of the C's is missing.
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Post by Rafael Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:20 am

Awesome changes, keep it up!
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Post by Sheldon Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:27 am

There aren't any unbiased members of this community. An unbiased panel of 5 can't exist. And how can we trust 5 people to vote everytime, when there hasn't even been a movie featured in months... (there have been some that qualified). The community picks section is exactly that, what the community wants. If people want to vote they will, if not they don't want to.And it isn't a community decision if we all don't get a vote. I feel like this is an electoral college we are trying to install, and the electoral college elected Trump, where as Hillary won the popular vote. I personally believe the electoral college is corrupt and not true democracy, but whatever.
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Post by rabid squirrel Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:33 am

Sheldon wrote:There aren't any unbiased members of this community. An unbiased panel of 5 can't exist. And how can we trust 5 people to vote everytime, when there hasn't even been a movie featured in months... (there have been some that qualified). The community picks section is exactly that, what the community wants. If people want to vote they will, if not they don't want to.And it isn't a community decision if we all don't get a vote.
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Post by OTDE Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:29 pm

Merry Christmas all!

Seems like I haven't fully considered the ramifications of the panel system. There's very few people here right now, so it wouldn't have much effect other than creating divides. I hope y'all can understand why I brought it up, but it looks like I probably won't implement it, given some of the points raised. Understand that I'm not trying to "install" anything other than do what I can to make the site better, and it looks like this isn't the way!

We haven't been doing well on keeping up on things here, and that's my fault. In the future, expect to see more, better, and more frequent content from the staff than during this slump of ours!
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Post by TheRevTastic Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:18 pm

Sheldon wrote:There aren't any unbiased members of this community. An unbiased panel of 5 can't exist. And how can we trust 5 people to vote everytime, when there hasn't even been a movie featured in months... (there have been some that qualified). The community picks section is exactly that, what the community wants. If people want to vote they will, if not they don't want to.And it isn't a community decision if we all don't get a vote. I feel like this is an electoral college we are trying to install, and the electoral college elected Trump, where as Hillary won the popular vote. I personally believe the electoral college is corrupt and not true democracy, but whatever.

Hey now, I can't be biased cause I don't know what's good or not :^)
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Post by Rafael Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:14 pm

Sheldon wrote:There aren't any unbiased members of this community. An unbiased panel of 5 can't exist. And how can we trust 5 people to vote everytime, when there hasn't even been a movie featured in months... (there have been some that qualified). The community picks section is exactly that, what the community wants. If people want to vote they will, if not they don't want to.And it isn't a community decision if we all don't get a vote. I feel like this is an electoral college we are trying to install, and the electoral college elected Trump, where as Hillary won the popular vote. I personally believe the electoral college is corrupt and not true democracy, but whatever.
On one side I agree with you, but on the other side it's clear that the old system doesn't work anymore. There are too few votes, hence no features for months.

I think this panel could work, but the people in there should all have different visions and should be able to take and respect the perspective of the rest of the panel. It also shouldn't be called community picks if the panel decides. I think featured movies is fine in that case

Maybe it's an idea to just pilot this for a few months and see how it goes? We can find out what's the best way to manage this and reverse it if it doesn't work. If everyone wants to give this a proper chance I think it could be a great way to keep featured movies alive consistently, because a track being featured or not is not dependent on how many votes it gets - which is heavily influenced by timing.
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Post by anton Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:35 pm

This is how it currently looks like:
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It varies, but it's fair to say that typically, 10-13 people will vote in the average poll.

Suggestion: how about letting 10-13 people decide whether a track should be community picked?



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25 people visited the website within the last 24 hrs. Out of all these only 50% voted.
13 out of 25; a playerbase that has recently gotten a boost in light of christmas break and general changes.

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srsly.


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also, why are there two columns


But if you want to reach the other half, reach out the the lazies. Going from home page to submiting your vote takes like 5 clicks. Which tracks to feature are, especially during periods with litte activity, the most relevant/hottest topics. so put it in the dead space. pick your spot
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The chatterbox. supposed to be lit, too bad i wont ever find out because finding out requires an additonal click. And also why is it so wide, I could write all the lyrics to American pie start to finish on one line.

TL;DR
Enough people vote. Can potentially increase number of votes by making voting more available.
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Post by TeamBlast Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:44 pm

I'd love to do CSS design with some people on this site xD
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Post by OTDE Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:33 am

Added the chatbox as a default widget, so trust me, I'm aware and not happy with it either. Would love to do CSS work with people who know what they're doing, as opposed to myself.
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Post by Lukking Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:31 am

I think Anton is right. OTDE, is it possible to have a poll where the chat would normally be so ppl can vote without clicking anywhere else?
exmple:
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Post by mmtunligit Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:40 am

as for the catbox, why not just re-implement the old livestream.com one, I seem to recall it working just fine
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Post by Rafael Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:02 am

@Anton: 10-13 votes is not enough to come to a decision if the poll isn't one-sided. With a result along the lines of 7/4/2 Yes/No/Meh it would be very difficult to come to a decision. Something has to change.
Lukking wrote:I think Anton is right. OTDE, is it possible to have a poll where the chat would normally be so ppl can vote without clicking anywhere else?
exmple:
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This is a dank idea!
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Post by Opal Rider Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:24 pm

My only fear is that the lazier people we're trying to pander to with this system might vote without watching the tracks or putting much thought into it. It's worth a test though, and a good way to get people from Reddit immediately involved with the site.
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Post by anton Mon Dec 26, 2016 1:01 pm

7y/4n/2m wouldnt be hard in my opinion because yes outnumbered no and maybe combined.

What do the different votes mean?
Yes - i like the track enough to feature it
No - [insert opinion], and/but not worthy å feature
Maybe/meh - ususally å statement, but bottom Line is that someone who votes m, isn't convinced the track is feature worthy.

I propose using a formula. For example:
yes/(no+meh)>=1.1

The last number is just a suggestion, we'd have to agree on the standard ratio
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Post by rabid squirrel Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:07 pm

Anton wrote:I propose using a formula. For example:
yes/(no+meh)>=1.1]
That's essentially the formula I used when I ran it, but I resisted having an official formula (for various reasons)
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Post by anton Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:30 pm

rabid squirrel wrote:
Anton wrote:I propose using a formula. For example:
yes/(no+meh)>=1.1]
That's essentially the formula I used when I ran it, but I resisted having an official formula (for various reasons)
I understand your stance on not having an official formula, but having one makes it possible to automate the process.
Viva la bureaucracy
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