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Post by rabid squirrel on Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:04 am

Okay I went to the pixelart subreddit because it looked promising, and it is surprisingly filled with original content, but again, mostly images. Maybe the LR subreddit will work, as in, not get in trouble with the admins. But the vibe reddit gives off is just so much about consuming found content that people think is cool, that I would personally never want to make it the main hub for a creative community. It's built around the idea of being the front page of the internet, after all. This is why I've never had any interest in making a line rider subreddit (people have been suggesting we make one for years before you came around, I dunno if you know) or any interest in spending time on reddit at all, really.

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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

Post by [senpai] kevans on Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:24 am

@rabid squirrel wrote:Okay I went to the pixelart subreddit because it looked promising, and it is surprisingly filled with original content, but again, mostly images. Maybe the LR subreddit will work, as in, not get in trouble with the admins. But the vibe reddit gives off is just so much about consuming found content that people think is cool, that I would personally never want to make it the main hub for a creative community. It's built around the idea of being the front page of the internet, after all. This is why I've never had any interest in making a line rider subreddit (people have been suggesting we make one for years before you came around, I dunno if you know) or any interest in spending time on reddit at all, really.

Listen. The main admins don't supervise every subreddit in existence. There's no time for that. They have more important things to worry about. They primarily hang out at the reddit subreddit and discuss the site as a whole. The only time they would come down to our little community is if we were doing something wrong stated in the content policies page, not the guidelines page. (Though if you find youself wanting to participate in a different subreddit, knowing those guidelines by heart is useful until you have a feel for the page)

Found content is something that we really need to strive for. Not in the sense that we need to find content, but we need to make content for others to find. One could do the same casually on sites like YouTube or memebase, but none if that is organized as neatly, and frankly is difficult to find. Strangers will take out word that when someone posts blue champion and says "this is the best track ever", then they'll take our word for it because we clearly know what were talking about. Since we've show it through upvoting the topic and having a discussion in the thread.

I should of made this clearer in the main thread, and I do apologize, but this isn't about making the reddit the main hub. If things work out, it will form it's own community, we're just asking you help us out. They key is that the reddit increases our visibility as a community, and would probably rekindle some people's interests in this old flash toy, or inspire new ones.

Hell Rabid, if you would like to be in charge if our weekly discussion idea, be our guest. We wat to make it to where every Saturday we discuss an individual track, and every first Saturday of each month we discuss a specific rider. That's the sort of content that would go great on reddit, and you have enough of an archive to drive that.

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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

Post by Fauxfyre on Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:38 am

Reddit is a good format for some people, and things can be good there, but we shouldn't move the whole community there. Reddit isn't the best for everyone, and is in no way better than Forumotion in every way. I think they can co-exist fine if you stop trying to convince everyone to move there. I'm not sure if you're trying to get WRTL shut down or not, but that's what you came across as (and still sound like what you're trying to do).

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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

Post by Traxis on Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:47 am

The way I see it, unless the current people here decide the community isn't worth it if we're on reddit, reddit could only do good. I know a lot of you here visit the site daily and consider it your most popular or most viewed website, but the majority of Line Rider players don't. I visit here (in the last month at least), around twice a week. I check reddit every single day. I have a system to view certain subreddits, basically going through my 10-15 most viewed, before casually going through the front page and then exploring some new stuff when I have time. I could put WRtL in this system extremely easily.

People could see the subreddit, subscribe to it, join it, and actually stay active because reddit is something they go to all the time. This website, they might join, stay for a few days, and then forget about it because it's a small website. It would also be nice to be able to check top and see the most liked tracks of that week, month, or all time. Imagine how great it would be if a track hit 1k+ upvotes, hit the front page of reddit, and the linerider community grew a crazy amount.

Trust me, as someone who was on IRtL for many years, I understand that this has been a forum driven community for a while, but change needs to happen if we want to progress. We can get a bigger community and enjoy more tracks if we expand, and the best way to do that is reddit. The chances of people staying on a subreddit is much higher than a website, and the chances of people finding a subreddit is also much higher than a website.

For the sake of community, which is really what Line Rider should be about, reddit is a fantastic option.

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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

Post by rabid squirrel on Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:57 am

@Traxis wrote:Imagine how great it would be if a track hit 1k+ upvotes, hit the front page of reddit, and the linerider community grew a crazy amount.
That already happened. Did you see anyone start making line rider tracks?

Most of what I've seen is, we lose people to reddit. They stop creating and they spend all their internet time consuming content.


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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

Post by Fauxfyre on Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:58 am

I like how my comment of "Reddit is a good format for some people, and things can be good there, but we shouldn't move the whole community there. I think they can co-exist fine." or something similar got deleted minutes after I posted it on /r/linerider because Kevan's doesn't like my opinion.

Really makes me want to move there.

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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

Post by efrazable on Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:59 am

@Fauxfyre wrote:I like how my comment of "Reddit is a good format for some people, and things can be good there, but we shouldn't move the whole community there. I think they can co-exist fine." or something similar got deleted minutes after I posted it on /r/linerider because Kevan's doesn't like my opinion.

Really makes me want to move there.
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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

Post by Fauxfyre on Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:22 am

@efrazable wrote:
@Fauxfyre wrote:I like how my comment of "Reddit is a good format for some people, and things can be good there, but we shouldn't move the whole community there. I think they can co-exist fine." or something similar got deleted minutes after I posted it on /r/linerider because Kevan's doesn't like my opinion.

Really makes me want to move there.
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I'm positive I clicked send, but unfortunately can't prove it, but apparently I'm not welcome there anymore after an uncomfortable Skype conversation Kevans, so it's not like I'm going to be posting there anymore anyways. I just don't see why everyone needs to be so black & white about having one site for Line Rider content. It isn't as if making the subreddit the only site for LR will make people post there more, or that having it on Reddit will make Line Rider much more popular. Kevans is talking about a post hitting the front page of reddit and causing a huge influx of players, but in order to do that we need the kind of userbase that would upvote it enough to get it up there in the first place. Not that that would cause people to play LR more or even care about looking into the game more past that video.

Reddit is good for some things, but it isn't the best at everything. Moving everything LR to Reddit would mostly benefit the people that visit Reddit every day, and while there are some of us here, it isn't nearly everyone.

Additionally, just about as much content gets posted there now as WRTL, which is only one thing every couple days if that. Reddit doesn't have the bonus of having the possibility of someone being in chat, or there being some other kind of discussion or something.

Sure the Reddit platform has its bonuses, but really it is probably most beneficial for people that are really picky over the discussion software (which doesn't really matter to me), already visit Reddit a lot and can fit it into their routine, or people that don't want to visit WRTL but still want to be involved in LR. Forumotion isn't the problem with our activity here, Livestream isn't the problem, it's the fact that we're based around an art form that is hard to get people that haven't followed it to understand, and is incredibly time consuming to make, along with other things we all have discussed before. I think Anton said it best here: http://iridethelines.forumotion.com/t10856p175-line-rider-confession-thread#179788

If we want any major change, we need to change the game. Moving between discussion software really won't make a difference to the amount or quality of posts, or the amount of users. We don't have a huge enough playerbase right now to warrant a change of websites in my opinion, for what it's used for it gets what it needs to get done done. Reddit is a nice way to have a more mainstream site (albeit it really isn't garnering any attention right now anyways), but there's not a need to move everything over there, nor a really big "want" from a lot of people. Go ahead and use it if you want, I've been trying to post here and there and would encourage others to use it, but I don't see why our current system needs to be abandoned (the use of "migrate", "What Reddit does better than forumotion", and the whole "What we aim to do better than other forums" sections of the OP make me believe that is what this thread was meant for originally).

Not saying I really want a change to the game, or have any personal suggestions, but the very basis of why we're even together, Line Rider, is the reason we don't have a large community. Line Rider itself needs to be made more accessible if we want to attract a new crowd, not just have a more accessible community.

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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

Post by [senpai] kevans on Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:26 am

@rabid squirrel wrote:Most of what I've seen is, we lose people to reddit. They stop creating and they spend all their internet time consuming content.

Do you not have any hobbies outside of line rider that you enjoy focusing on? Pretty sure everyone else does and manages track making just fine.

@Fauxfyre wrote:Kevan's doesn't like my opinion

Again with the attacking. Someone is always trying to attack me.

I don't know what you're talking about, deleted comments show up for moderators and I don't see yours anywhere. only evidence that could maybe be construed as you is that downvote that's there. Are you 100% sure you posted something?

Also I'm not the only staff there. So think about how someone else could inteprt what you said. I know it wasn't me because I went straight to bed after our discussion.

EDIT: Oh look, we have a moderation log: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4zlj3xp79v59dvq/2015-09-10%2003.35.15.png?dl=0
No comments were removed. Screenshot to show what a removed comment does look like: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m89xu0r95swg5dk/2015-09-10%2003.36.16.png?dl=0

I had nothing to do with your comment shotoku. This is just making me think you're genuinely trying to start something here with me.

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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

Post by Rafael on Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:12 am

F*** this discussion. We're not going to reddit, obviously. Can someone please close this thread because this is only going to get messy with all the grudges slowly coming to the surface again.

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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

Post by Anton on Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:56 am

@Rafael wrote:F*** this discussion. We're not going to reddit, obviously. Can someone please close this thread because this is only going to get messy with all the grudges slowly coming to the surface again.
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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

Post by [senpai] kevans on Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:34 am

@Rafael wrote:Can someone please close this thread because this is only going to get messy with all the grudges slowly coming to the surface again.

Sadly I'm going to have to agree with this. Rabid had some actual concerns for the website and I tried to handle these the best I could. Thank you to those who actually tried to keep the topic relevant and promote the discussion, I appreciate the comments that were more than just two sentences of just "i don't like it". Let alone one word.

I regret poking my head in here. I don't know if it's me or you guys, but I still haven't learned my lesson in avoiding this site. Y'all know how to find me.

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Re: Why it would be beneficial to migrate to reddit

Post by Opal Rider on Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:06 am

One thing I would be concerned about is that due to the lack of new members coming in, and the amount of time it takes to make and publish tracks, a lot of our forum activity consists of friendly conversation and off topic posting. If I'm not wrong, that's a pretty strict form of taboo on reddit, but without it, we would look very dead, and nobody wants to join a dead subreddit.


Edit: Yeah, I'll ask that question again somewhere else. Closed this thread to move conversation elsewhere.

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